I have moved questions of Nafpaktos to ERC thread as his questions were about ERC regulations.
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I have moved questions of Nafpaktos to ERC thread as his questions were about ERC regulations.
This rule is in regulations for many years. But now there is only change in formulation. Till now, it was written, that if car will not leave start line in 20 seconds, car must be pushed away and crew is EXCLUDED. New rule says, that if car will not leave start line in 20 seconds, car must be pushed away and crew is RETIRED.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
So on paper and in theory we should be in for a hell of a season next year with drivers having no splits and the cars starting in championship order on first two days. But we will see how it turns out in reality, i totally love that they banned the splits.
It indeed may be that my thinking is further away than where the reality lies but it may be granted to me because I don't make rules, I don't enforce them or plan to circumvent them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What comes to people possibly using pit boards or any other way to communicate split times to cars: it has been done before and it is possible that some would try to do it again. So, if FIA wants that this rule is not a dead letter, they must police it some way. All they need is someone to watch over the onboard camera tapes. It doesn't need to be every stage because splits are useful only in certain key stages. It doesn't need to be for every competitor, just works contracted drivers and maybe WRC2 ones. That is doable and not very expensive.
Pit boards do work in all but heaviest rain, dust is mostly behind the car and in dusty conditions cars can't go flat out so showing splits is of no use. Same applies to fog to a degree. But that's a bit beside the point which is: in order to curb the use of pit boards, FIA must police the rule somehow. And publicly declare what the penalty for breach will be.
Basically I agree with You but I think that they will not check the onboards. Let's see.
When I play a rally video game I get split times to show if I am ahead or behind the fastest time on the stage... if I am behind I try harder, if I am ahead I maintain my current effort knowing my pace is already good. Isn't this what Meeke means by wanting the split-times ?
If what this is really about is making drivers always go flat-out then I dont think it will do that. If the leader has say 30sec lead on Day 3 he wont just go flat out but will still drive sensibly knowing he has enough in hand. The only time he will is if the times are close, and he would do so anyway...
The point is that if You don't have the information (I mean no information at all) You don't know how fast You actually drive compared to the others. It's impossible to drive flat out over the whole rally distance because You would crash almost for sure. You also never know where Your opponents start some crazy attack or if in the stages before they drove flat out or not. With splits You can react within let's say few minutes (or if You drive after You know immediately), without it it can take half an hour on a long stage before You realize what Your opponent did and that is hell of a time to make some difference. We've seen that often in IRC/ERC.
I can name several of such cases from my head...
On Cyprus Bouffier took over one minute in one stage against everybody else because he took a big risk over 35 km long rough stage.
In Sanremo Basso not just once destroyed others by a big margin in a night run over the huge Ronde stage (once around 30 seconds I think).
In Jänner every year the last stage Bad Zell brings difference of 15-20 seconds for somebody who risks driving crazy in the fog over an ice. Usually this stage although last makes a big change of the leaderboard (Kubica, Hänninen, Harrach or Baumschlager took a big time there in the past).
Citroën Racing confirms another year with Mads Ostberg for the entire championship. Note: he will not be nominated for Citroën in Monte-Carlo, that will be Meeke (as the no.1 driver) and Sebastien Loeb.
Think its' the best choice made by Citroën, Mads is the best of the rest available, has experience (also with the DS3) and hungry to perform even better.
With Loeb (maybe) on tarmac rounds (quick look at the WTCC-calendar it's possible) it's a very interesting combination.
Mats van den Brand from NL wins the DMACK Shoot Out and drives 1 WRC2 Rally in the Fiesta R5! Nice:D
Why only one rally? :-) It seems it is just good promo for M-sport.
It's a price, which was decided before the begining of 2014 season to attract drivers to do events with Fiesta R2 and Dmack Tyres.
A shootout between drivers who enters at least one WRC event with same rule à Drive Dmack Cup and some wildcars.
Drivers were Mats van den Brand, Kevin van Deijne, Timo van der Marel, Hugo Arellano + Max Vatanen (best rookie), Ralfs Sirmacis (impressed M-Sport in Rally Poland) and Tome Cave (runner-up of the champ)
Contrast to Mats vd Brand! Nice and talented Dutch guy, he is the Son of Mark van den Brand, former navigator of Hans Stacey (Dutch rally driver , and former Dakar winner in MAN truck). Mats started rallying last year and won the Nissan 350z immediately. He has karting roots and has his own company in guiding and coaching karting drivers and teams. After Hans Weijs and Kevin Abbring who are struggling their whole career to get funds for a decent contract, now there is Mats. Let's see, wish him all the best.
Sorry, congrats to Mats vd Brand
Khalid penalised and Nasser wins MERC
http://irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00007769
Mats did first some short rallies in Holland and there we already saw he had talent. Year after he indeed did great with 350z and did some events in Fiesta already. And this year we saw definately he was very fast and talented if u beat consistenely Timo van der Marel who has the speed and lots of experience in rallying, on stages and the car. Timo cant follow the pace of Mats.
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Yes, here is a nice compilation of onboards from his second ever rally (in an old Escort).Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqpf7-Fx66E
we do not care about joke desert championships...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
No revelance to the WRC.
Who is 'we'? The two sides of your persona perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Please do not speak on others behalf!!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
How can you tell what we think, with your head shoved so far up your own arse?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
ok... we do care what a bunch of nobodies do in their desert championship... sand is good... we need more sand.
so which article is right?it cant be right both of them.i also remember in cyprus that merc competitors was not penalised for big cuttings but this was had not effect for erc competitors.so WHATS THE RULE?i think fia messed up( because qatar's association influence)!!!!!!!!!!bullshit!!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
P.S opinions please!!
In Cyprus they were not penalised because MERC drivers didn't deviate a lot from the road (20m mentioned in iRally article). For non-MERC the same rule as WRC applies that theoretically have to keep at least one wheel on the road, which we know is a bit of a silly thing really.
PS: Can we move the discussion in the 2014 MERC thread: http://www.motorsportforums.com/show...3471-MERC-2014
i know the rules i want your opinion!!
you want to have a discussion about the sand championship of nobodies within the WRC section ?
Probl€ms to Alsace round.
One good solution could be merge ERC round with WRC like 1000 lakes in the past, and put Tour de Corse again on WRC :) Then in 2016 only WRC ;)
Please stay with topic (belonging to WRC)Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
That’s true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
By BILLIOT Jérémie @planetemarcus 5h5 hours ago
#WRC problem with money to make @rallyedefrance in Alsace for 2015 ... http://www.dna.fr/sports/2014/12/05/rallye-de-france-le-conseil-general-du-bas-rhin-renonce-a-son-tour …
Google translate:
After the decision of the General Council of the Upper Rhine, who announced yesterday that he "no longer wishes to engage" in the financing of the Rally France-Alsace, the Bas-Rhin announced in a press release release issued this afternoon, he also gave up financially to the 2015.
The origin of this decision, the budget decisions that allow no longer stand the test, the statement that targets the absence of compensation by the state of social security but also lower state grants to communities .dropoff window
Involved also the craze back because of the absence of Sébastien Loeb and "fervor that his presence guaranteed" in the words of the press release.
See below for the full press release CG67:
"Alsace Rally: the General Council renounce its support!
In 2010, when the organizers of the Rallye de France have expressed interest in the Alsace Region, the General Council of the Lower Rhine has made all possible assistance to the realization of this great sporting event on its territory. There was the prospect of gaining international notoriety, receive in the Bas-Rhin one of the greatest popular free events, to benefit the local economy. There were of course Sebastien Loeb and fervor that his presence guaranteed!
Each year the Rally held or exceeded its promises, thanks to the great professionalism of the organizing team.
Also, to the end of its resources, the General Council of the Lower Rhine supported this beautiful local and global celebration.
But today the budget decisions no longer allow this support. In particular, the absence of compensation by the state payroll taxes that strike the finances of all departments but also lower state grants to colelctivités.
Therefore, and against heart, Guy-Dominique KENNEL propose to his colleagues not to be partner of the Rallye de France in 2015. He hopes that the course organizers can find other sources of funding, enabling them to stay Alsace, to the delight of an audience that has always been faithful to them.
Time for a different region to hold Rallye de France then, I certainly won't miss the Alsace-region. :)
This are good news, never liked that event.
I will answer in the MERC threadQuote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Tour de Corse!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
The whole France is not doing well, economically. It is time to move the event to somewhere else. One wrc event in France is enough. I wouldlike to see something in more east;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Merging of WRC and ERC during Tour de Corse 2015 would be nice for spectators , but I don´t think it is technically possible. Hoping Tour de Corse will be part of 2015 ERC callender and they won´t switch just to WRC round. At least not this year (I mean 2015) . Because then the ERC 2015 calendar would be quite crappy.
Japan?:pQuote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
For me WRC can take Tour de Corse, if ERC gets Valais back. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by liposh
Or Monte :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Excellent thinking....Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
France already has a round of the WRC. It's called Rallye Monte Carlo and is held entirely in France the last time I checked.
Rallye de France being held in Alsace made sense in Sebastien Loeb's era but a) it took until 2010 to make that switch and b) the fans didn't flock to this year's event to watch Sebastien Ogier. Wouldn't surprise me if Alsace doesn't last much longer in the WRC.
Finally N.O.T has said something I agree with!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Excellent idea! I remember that there was some kind of old Colin MaCrae Rally game in my old laptop and the most difficult round for me was tarmac event in Japan :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
What is the reason that the tarmac rounds are all in the second half of the season? I mean, we have Monte and then there is 7 months gap to next tarmac rally. I don't get that, i'd like to see one in the first part of the season and then one in the middle of the season also.