Turbo dimensions didn't cause the exclusion, because they were seen to be close enough to the tolerances.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
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Turbo dimensions didn't cause the exclusion, because they were seen to be close enough to the tolerances.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
La DS3 WRC n°2 exclue du Rallye du Portugal - Citroën WRC
Citroen seems to appeal.
Not so bad then :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I wouldnt like to go out to dinner with any FIA scrutineers, I bet they are the most dull people in the world :D
Then why further investigation???Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
What a shame!
Just curious, why don't check the car BEFORE the race? Why driver must suffer?!?!
They do that, but they can't check everything in every car.Quote:
Originally Posted by uranium
No, nothing like that is in the document. They write about turbo that the homologated diameter of the turbine is 54,0 +-0,1. They used caliber 54,11 and it didn't go through but they gave no number for real diameter. In this case I would not make it sensation because the turbo is same in all cars supplied by Garret.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
It very well can be like stated by Citröen - the fins can be prolonged by hi-temperature creep. It happens and it even can cause a failure if they touch the housing while rotating (quite often cause of accidents in jet engines). It is very likely the same problem can be found on all WRC cars if they are examined. FIA asked technical stewards to make further investigation regarding the turbo issue.
However the clutch is clear because it is simply different to homologated one.
The decision on the turbine wheel is suspended, in wait for further investigation. So didn't cause exclusion, but could be other penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Because a check of one car takes hours. Can You imagine to check fifty cars in pre-event scrutineering? It would take weeks and after the scrutineeering teams can change most of the things anyway. Pre-event scrutineering is to check safety factor first.Quote:
Originally Posted by uranium
Don't start that crap Barreis. This is not Chandler's doing, this is Citroen's own creation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
So, now we should wait for appeal result?
they will not risk an appeal...Quote:
Originally Posted by uranium
They will appeal because they say there is no gain in performance...
Stranger things have hapenned, KKK!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
All this story reminds me when Ford had the thinner windows!!
They state here they have decided to appeal .
La DS3 WRC n°2 exclue du Rallye du Portugal - Citroën WRC
I'm not expert in this area but in my opinion it has probably more to do with reliability. Maybe they changed shifting program and it caused some reliability issues in tests so they changed clutch. Who knows, that's just first idea I have. Anyway I don't believe they would use different clutch accidentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
Interesting to say the least. But it fcked up my sleep cycle. Thanks Citroen. :D
Colin Clark confirms Citroen have appealed - they have 7 days to confirm the appeal and lodge the bond
To me, If the parts arent homologated then there's not really a lot to appeal against, irrespective of performance gain.
Not the way Mads would have wanted to win his first wrc rally
a win is a win...right now it is a "fake" one with no value at all..... but in 10-20 years it will be his first win without and buts or ifs (lets hope he improves and its the first among many)Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
Ford's review. Imagine Quinn will have a few questions to answer from his bosses on Monday morning............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA1OlkBYemE
i think that "joker" clutch is not meant to be there, somehow they forget to remove the unhomoligated but an improved part there. that might gain advantage, we don't know that. citroen is taking chances by appeal. i don't think the decision will change.
Absolutely agree. The part's either legal or it's not. Added reliability is a performance again. The appeal is probably more about saving face by not admitting guilt than it is an attempt to overturn the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
So I guess it's a privateer who has won this rally? :D
WRC.com article - World Rally Championship - News - Citroen heads comment on Hirvonen exclusion
Seems they are appealing on the basis that they didn't gain an advantage and that the penalties were out of proportion because of that
I do not see any other penalty than exclusion for using non-homologated part. The only thing they can achieve is added phrase to the decision: "However, the non-homologated part didn't give any performance advantage." Using non-homologated part must be always punished with exclusion, no matter is it privateer or factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6789
Haha. Every European event #(*k's up my sleep cycle. You'll do fine. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Crazy, crazy weekend. Not sure how i feel....my emotions are confusing me.
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Australia 2009. There Citroen got only one minute penalty for using non-homologated part.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
from memory, that part was homologated but the new drawings not present in the documents they produced in Australia.
Applause for Citroen! FCUK!
In order to prove that, please provide birth dates for all drivers on this list:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
juwra.com**|**Statistics - Driver podium finishes
Yes, you are correct.This time it is much more serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Something is wrong in Citroen. Ford has closed the gap to Citroen (in terms of speed) and wins as many or even more stages than Citroen compared to last year (Ford has won 46 SS and Citroen 32ss). However, their value is still the reliability and their drivers. Now this big mistake with non-homologated part. Causes of managemnt change?
Usually I'm very rational person, but...
What if that was just a Citroens game in favour of mr Loeb. They can't afford their The One (and huge trademark) being beaten by Mikko, immediately after the finn got a compettitive car.
Every teams goal is the manufacturer title... drivers title comes second... and if they want so badly Loeb to get the title they can sabotage mikkos car instead of getting him excluded and be marked as cheater team...Quote:
Originally Posted by Janez
you are not very rational i think...
This has really been an eventful rally!
Weather creats uneven playing field
Loeb out, can not join in rally 2
2 x Ford out from the lead in ss 5&6
Hirvonen leads
2 x private fords fight for podium
Solberg catches up fast, then has a powersteering issue
2wd academy cars are stuck in the mud
Hirvonen wins
Østberg with another 2 nd
Novikov youngest podium finisher
Hirvonen excluded, clutch
Østberg gets first win
Novikov gets 2 nd
Solberg gets 3 rd
Championship wide open
Citroen apeals
Who knows what will happen next!?
Pls follow the next episode of the Portugal saga!!
Ford, for the window issue, got a 5 mins. penalty for all the Focus WRC if I don't remember bad. They weren't excluded.
I think the apeal will not change nothing. It doesn't matter if they gain something or not, the part is a not homologated one, so they're out.
You forgot 3 cancelled stages that helped Solberg also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
And you'll note that no-one is talking about how the longer format event created the stories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Jean Todt and Michele Mouton don't need ridiculous marathon events, they just need a weather machine.