The Ferrari thread !

I think at suz i would just stuff a new engine in. He can make up the places there.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Forza Ferrari!

I hope so called Tifosi are still ashamed of themselves

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?! why ?!

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Originally Posted by F1boat

?! why ?!

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It has always been apparent where wedge's sympathies lie.
He is a pretty cool shark, but you should know which rat/rats that jumped ship he is referring to. You're a published Novelist. It is a very thinly veiled allegory. As for any, and all Band-Wagoner’s I for one welcome you as there is plenty of room. Where is Tinchote? The latest developements would suit him to the ground.
I miss Tamburello :mad:
That fool could talk some serious smack. Reincarnated? :idea:

:vader: May the Forza be with you

:s ailor: Hail Caesar

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/200610...lor_Oviedo.jpg

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Originally Posted by wedge

Forza Ferrari!

I hope so called Tifosi are still ashamed of themselves

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What for ? :confused:

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Originally Posted by pino

What for ? :confused:

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Sorry, I meant some Tifosi after the German GP

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Originally Posted by wedge

Sorry, I meant some Tifosi after the German GP

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Those were not tifosi ;)

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Originally Posted by Tazio

You're a published Novelist.

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But not too successful, unfortunately ;)

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Originally Posted by henners88

That means over 70% of the posters on the Ferrari forum are pretenders and frauds!! The cheek of it!! lol :D :)

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More than 70%, as I only consider 5 or 6 active members in here as true tifosi ;)

I have never visited that forum. What was the question in the poll? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tazio

I have never visited that forum. What was the question in the poll? :rolleyes:

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"Who is the most unpopular current Ferrari driver for English Mclaren Trolls?"

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

"Who is the most unpopular current Ferrari driver for English Mclaren Trolls?"

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So are you saying it was a heads up for FA and his enthusiastic followers that the Anglo-Mob is looking to shove a cap up someones ^<< :p :

No, Mr Tazio, what I relate it as that I would be wary of Ferrari.com forums after such a English-media led witch-hunt against the Scuderia as witnessed post Hockenheim.

After all, when we get somebody here claiming Alonso is over-rated after Spa, a complete knee-jerk reaction fuelled by dislike, and those people have strangely been subdued since Monza, you have to question the motives of certain posters in every forum.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87071

A correct sentence, but what a shame this man will not actually spend any time in prison.

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Commu...ges/Forum.aspx

The thread entitled WMSC Decision shows no dissent.

We can presume the infiltration by lovers of the Anglo-Mafia masquerading as Tifosi was short-lived once the reality dawned.

Typical trolling, and not worth any sensible consideration. Certainly not worth claiming 70% support of your anti Scuderia view.

But, when you have no other stick to beat with, a weak twig is better than a leaf.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87071

A correct sentence, but what a shame this man will not actually spend any time in prison.

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Good timing ;) :p :dozey: :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Commu...ges/Forum.aspx

The thread entitled WMSC Decision shows no dissent.

We can presume the infiltration by lovers of the Anglo-Mafia masquerading as Tifosi was short-lived once the reality dawned.

Typical trolling, and not worth any sensible consideration. Certainly not worth claiming 70% support of your anti Scuderia view.

But, when you have no other stick to beat with, a weak twig is better than a leaf.

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:s ailor: Graaaaaaaaazie!

Prego.

Tazio, here is a gem of a link from Ferrari.com -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ne.motorsports

"According to Dennis, Kovalainen was simply told that Hamilton was much quicker and he took the decision himself to allow his team-mate by. "The only thing we advise drivers is the respective pace of the other driver and they ultimately call it," the team principal said. "Lewis was nearly a second quicker than Heikki through the race and when he was told Lewis was quicker he just let him past. "He knew that was the only way because the longer he would have held up Lewis the more difficult it would have been for him to have regained the lead. It was a tremendous sporting gesture and it's what being in a racing team is about. True team-mates do these things because that's the way they are."
There is unlikely to be any follow-up from the officials, with Dennis explaining: "Heikki was troubled by oversteer and wasn't able to match Lewis's pace today. But it is a mark of both his professionalism and his sportsmanship that, aware of his situation relative to Lewis's, he made it relatively straightforward for Lewis to pass him. It's a joy to have two drivers who are not only super-competitive but also super-cooperative."


As expected, any criticism of Ferrari by Mclaren fans is weak and unprincipled. Much like Mr Dennis and Mr Hamilton, both of whom are proven liars and hypocrites.

It is no wonder, perhaps, that their supporters follow suit?

Forza Ferrari.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I assume Phil Prew also apologised over the radio to Hekki, and then Heikki was visibly upset in the post race interviews throwing doubt in the minds of the worlds press? Errrrrr no..lol

The difference between the two scenario's, as was pointed out just a couple of months ago was the fact that Mclaren carefully briefed their drivers before the race and there was no need for careless radio transmission's, and upset drivers who had instructions sprung on them.

Some teams are just better at executing team orders than others and do not make the viewing public aware of just how they do it. Ferrari unfortunately scored a massive own goal and brought something to the attention of the FIA which many of the teams probably didn't want disclosed..OWN GOAL!! ;)

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I actually don't care about the drama. That is why I stay away from the tabloids.
There are too many Italians that are overly concerned with image. (is that the "own goal" that you are concerned about?)
And if the real difference is that Heike doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve like Massa or that Ferrari should have been more profoundly in collusion, than I don't see any substantive difference.
At the end of the day Ferrari made a decision in real time (to ignore the rule) as opposed to it being premeditated.
They got a fine and paid it
:s ailor: I hold these truths to be self evident
This whole thing reeks of one of Italy's greatest contributions to the English language.

Vendetta

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder on this one!

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Originally Posted by Tazio

At the end of the day Ferrari made a decision in real time (to ignore the rule) as opposed to it being premeditated.
They got a fine and paid it
:s ailor: I hold these truths to be self evident

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This is what amazes me. When someone deems "not Tifosi" makes such a statement, they are simply called haters, biased, blinded by Mclaren, etc, etc, etc.

You can easily support Ferrari and what they bring to F1 in terms of history and tradition, yet choose not to ignore when they cheat. The same applies to any other team.

I thought the fine for teams orders was rather stiff though. Would have been much cheaper to simply send someone to the copy shop and give Mclaren a full set of plans for the F10. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Tazio

It .
I miss Tamburello :mad:

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Just reload.......

and if not, there is always pilleome de braciole......

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Originally Posted by airshifter

This is what amazes me. When someone deems "not Tifosi" makes such a statement, they are simply called haters, biased, blinded by Mclaren, etc, etc, etc.

You can easily support Ferrari and what they bring to F1 in terms of history and tradition, yet choose not to ignore when they cheat. The same applies to any other team.

I thought the fine for teams orders was rather stiff though. Would have been much cheaper to simply send someone to the copy shop and give Mclaren a full set of plans for the F10. :laugh:

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I deem myself a H*** Sapien :rolleyes: :dozey: :)

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Originally Posted by Tazio

I deem myself a H*** Sapien :rolleyes: :dozey: :)

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I was born an American as were my parents. Actually what I really think I mean is that there is this mentality that how you are perceived is so important that it clouds the reality of many people that are 20 years or more younger than me. I have noticed this about Italians here on visa that I know personally. They seem to be overly "concerned" about these things imo. I don't know any Poms but I suspect it pervades the comercialization of western culture, Americans I know mostly don't give a flying F*** about it but I'm sure the younger ones are every bit as stupid in this arena.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Tazio, here is a gem of a link from Ferrari.com -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ne.motorsports

"According to Dennis, Kovalainen was simply told that Hamilton was much quicker and he took the decision himself to allow his team-mate by. "The only thing we advise drivers is the respective pace of the other driver and they ultimately call it," the team principal said. "Lewis was nearly a second quicker than Heikki through the race and when he was told Lewis was quicker he just let him past. "He knew that was the only way because the longer he would have held up Lewis the more difficult it would have been for him to have regained the lead. It was a tremendous sporting gesture and it's what being in a racing team is about. True team-mates do these things because that's the way they are."
There is unlikely to be any follow-up from the officials, with Dennis explaining: "Heikki was troubled by oversteer and wasn't able to match Lewis's pace today. But it is a mark of both his professionalism and his sportsmanship that, aware of his situation relative to Lewis's, he made it relatively straightforward for Lewis to pass him. It's a joy to have two drivers who are not only super-competitive but also super-cooperative."


As expected, any criticism of Ferrari by Mclaren fans is weak and unprincipled. Much like Mr Dennis and Mr Hamilton, both of whom are proven liars and hypocrites.

It is no wonder, perhaps, that their supporters follow suit?

Forza Ferrari.

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This link, incredible. Now I am absolutely, 100% sure that McLaren fans are hypocrites. Just fanboys, really, or partisan crowd.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

This link, incredible. Now I am absolutely, 100% sure that McLaren fans are hypocrites. Just fanboys, really, or partisan crowd.

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You're like the wind, one never knows which way it blows.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Tazio, here is a gem of a link from Ferrari.com -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ne.motorsports

"According to Dennis, Kovalainen was simply told that Hamilton was much quicker and he took the decision himself to allow his team-mate by. "The only thing we advise drivers is the respective pace of the other driver and they ultimately call it," the team principal said. "Lewis was nearly a second quicker than Heikki through the race and when he was told Lewis was quicker he just let him past. "He knew that was the only way because the longer he would have held up Lewis the more difficult it would have been for him to have regained the lead. It was a tremendous sporting gesture and it's what being in a racing team is about. True team-mates do these things because that's the way they are."
There is unlikely to be any follow-up from the officials, with Dennis explaining: "Heikki was troubled by oversteer and wasn't able to match Lewis's pace today. But it is a mark of both his professionalism and his sportsmanship that, aware of his situation relative to Lewis's, he made it relatively straightforward for Lewis to pass him. It's a joy to have two drivers who are not only super-competitive but also super-cooperative."


As expected, any criticism of Ferrari by Mclaren fans is weak and unprincipled. Much like Mr Dennis and Mr Hamilton, both of whom are proven liars and hypocrites.

It is no wonder, perhaps, that their supporters follow suit?

Forza Ferrari.

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Déjà vu - a feeling that one has been through all of this previously :look:

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Déjà vu - a feeling that one has been through all of this previously :look:

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Not just me thinks that then......

Still: $100,000 for 7 points is pretty good value. Every little helps :p

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Still: $100,000 for 7 points is pretty good value. Every little helps :p

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Think of the clubcard points you'd get with that payment...... :crazy:

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Still: $100,000 for 7 points is pretty good value. Every little helps :p

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It is , indeed , Davey .

But , don't forget that the original intention was to have them for free .

Two "rogue" employees took the initiative to make it obvious , and gain sympathy for the "hard done by" driver , causing the team to be fined and reprimanded .

The "free pass" is what you get when you don't make it obvious .
And , "obvious" seems to mean tone of voice , "sorry" , and a crowd of fans yelling about team orders being banned , despite seeing it , in the same words , many times , even this year .

Heikki knew what his team wanted , and didn't complain , and was lauded for his team thinking . And this , being honourable in a secondary role , is what being the devoted number two should be all about .
That's what Dennis was all gushy about .

Gilles did his time as number two , and nobody seems to mind . And some think it was the disturbance of his own number two passing him that lead him to the distraction that contributed to his demise .

When it's my turn to wash the toilet , I wash the toilet , and I don't complain . I just wash the thing the best way I know how , and perform the best job I can .

Smedley and Massa should be on toilet duty for a long time to make up for this .
Then , the pi$$y faces would fit .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

It is , indeed , Davey .

But , don't forget that the original intention was to have them for free .

Two "rogue" employees took the initiative to make it obvious , and gain sympathy for the "hard done by" driver , causing the team to be fined and reprimanded .

The "free pass" is what you get when you don't make it obvious .
And , "obvious" seems to mean tone of voice , "sorry" , and a crowd of fans yelling about team orders being banned , despite seeing it , in the same words , many times , even this year .

Heikki knew what his team wanted , and didn't complain , and was lauded for his team thinking . And this , being honourable in a secondary role , is what being the devoted number two should be all about .
That's what Dennis was all gushy about .

Gilles did his time as number two , and nobody seems to mind . And some think it was the disturbance of his own number two passing him that lead him to the distraction that contributed to his demise .

When it's my turn to wash the toilet , I wash the toilet , and I don't complain . I just wash the thing the best way I know how , and perform the best job I can .

Smedley and Massa should be on toilet duty for a long time to make up for this .
Then , the pi$$y faces would fit .

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The above narrative assumes, of course, that the contract Massa signed obliges him to 'do as asked' by the team. However, to do so in the German GP case would be against the rules, no? So, Massa abiding by the rules, is suddenly the bad guy?

As for the toilet analogy, if you were not the oik that 'sprinkled when you tinkled' or left 'third degree skids' in the bowl, you'd clean it regardless of being your turn or not would you????

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The above narrative assumes, of course, that the contract Massa signed obliges him to 'do as asked' by the team. However, to do so in the German GP case would be against the rules, no? So, Massa abiding by the rules, is suddenly the bad guy?

As for the toilet analogy, if you were not the oik that 'sprinkled when you tinkled' or left 'third degree skids' in the bowl, you'd clean it regardless of being your turn or not would you????

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His employer told his engineer exactly what to say to him .
The way he delivered the message was what got them in trouble .

To assume that anyone's employer should have the right to ask any employee to do as asked is not really a stretch , is it ?
Sign up , do the job , get a paycheque .
The choice is clear .

And , the choice was clear for Felipe , and for Smedley .
They both did as told , but did not do it subtly enough to escape sanction .

Massa did what he was told , or , more correctly , made the logical decision , when told the situation .
He didn't like it , and needed to be told three times .
When finally he relented , and did as his employer expected , he and his engineer made it obvious .

The toilet to which I referred earlier , I own . I have employees in the restaurant who I could ask to do it always , but I take my turn .
And , there is no complaint .

Recently , I had an employee who wouldn't wash the toilet . Her actions disrupted the whole apple cart , as others had to fill in , and do that part of her job , the most disgusting part .
She doesn't work for me any more .

Perhaps you'll drop in for a couple of skid marks some day , so I can take my turn with a worthy opponent .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Perhaps you'll drop in for a couple of skid marks some day , so I can take my turn with a worthy opponent .

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I am afraid I cannot do 'number two's' in a public toilet. For some reason, in that predicament, my sphincta and my brain refuse to talk to each other. The fact the general public have access to the same loo renders me wholly unable to relax......

I am sure you understand that at times this can be a right royal pain in the a*se, literally. :D

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I am afraid I cannot do 'number two's' in a public toilet. For some reason, in that predicament, my sphincta and my brain refuse to talk to each other. The fact the general public have access to the same loo renders me wholly unable to relax......

I am sure you understand that at times this can be a right royal pain in the a*se, literally. :D

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:rotflmao:

I'm almost crying...

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I am afraid I cannot do 'number two's' in a public toilet. For some reason, in that predicament, my sphincta and my brain refuse to talk to each other. The fact the general public have access to the same loo renders me wholly unable to relax......

I am sure you understand that at times this can be a right royal pain in the a*se, literally. :D

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So , I will assume you understand the analogy now , and will ask if you have any comment for the rest of the post .

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

:rotflmao:

I'm almost crying...

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Is it your turn to clean the toilet , Davey ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

and will ask if you have any comment for the rest of the post .

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If I had, I would. As I hadn't, I didn't.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Is it your turn to clean the toilet , Davey ?

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He has Kim and Aggy to clean his...... ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

If I had, I would. As I hadn't, I didn't.

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Let me make it clear .

I would have fired Felipe on the spot .
I would have told him to pit and get out of my car .