Since FIA hasn't conclude to the new rules,teams can do nothing about that...All the blame on FIA!!!!
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Since FIA hasn't conclude to the new rules,teams can do nothing about that...All the blame on FIA!!!!
What a great post........how long did it take you to think of such wisdom!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Can someone tell me if wales rally is going ahead this year? it doesnt confirm it on the site.
I want to know before I book a room!
thanks
Alex, I would delay anything for at least a week (or book a trip to Scotland in November instead....). Court case for breach of contract begins (I think) on Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexlake
NORF & Rally GB are back on the calendar for 2010. This will increas epressure regarding the dispute between the organisers and sponsors of WRGB. Welsh Assembly Government terminated the sponsorship deal with the rally citing that they had signed a five year deal to be in the World Championship. When the calendar was published without Rally GB, there was initially a feeling that 'oh GB will be in as one of teh cornerstone events' as the indications then changed and teh reality that GB could be / would be out WAG used that as a reason to terminate the deal, citing that the promoter's proposals indicated World status. We will see where this leads to...........
sorry meant to post calendar here. look at autosport.com.
2010 WRC calendar
Swedish Rally
Rally Mexico
Rally of Portugal
Rally Jordan
Rally Turkey
Rally New Zealand
Rally Bulgaria
Rally Finland
Rally Deutschland
Rally Japan
Tour de Corse
Rally Catalunya
Rally GB
Reserve: Rally Argentina
Swap Argentina for Bulgaria and Jordan for Monte Carlo and it would be accpetable1 As it is, it's OK I guess.
I'd agree with swapping Argentina for Bulgaria. Monte organisers have made their decision - they prefer the freedom of the IRC. Can't believe there isn't room for Acropolis, yet there is Jordan. Hardly anybody goes to watch it. The Acropolis is a 'classic'. I should be pleased about RallyGB, but for some reason I'm not.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Me too! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I completely agree. Acropolis really should be there, although Jordan was a good challenge last year if I remember well. Not exactly full of fans though I suppose!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Can't blame Monte Carlo - they are supporting the growing, and currently thriving rally series. It's a shame the WRC can't quite match it at the moment.
And I know what you mean about Rally GB. I'm not ecstatic, but I am pleased that there is at least an opportunity to watch WRC Cars roaring within our countryside, even if it is overpriced, overmarshalled and overall a bit of a mess!
I think its a really strong calendar. Bulgaria will probably be replaced with Argentina - not enough good tarmac roads on offfer there right now. France on the mainland, not Corsica... Also good - regular events proposed, 3 weeks apart through the year except for a summer/World Cup break of 4 weeks. Even potential for a S2000 trophy run alongside W/P/J as a warm-up for the big rule change maybe?
What is the price of the Fiesta R2, anyone have a clue ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
I guess 50-60 000 euros full car
And a C2 R2 and C2 R2 Max ?
C2 R2 Max costs 50-60 000 ,I don't think the Fiesta will be much different ;)
Here are some information and prices for the Citroen C2 R2 Max:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...X_2008V5OK.pdf
http://74.125.43.132/translate_c?hl=...OxG8d7_gauOx2A
"This comprehensive package of components can either be supplied as a £25,000 kit to be fitted by a third party, or alternatively Citroen Sport will build you a C2-R2 MAX from scratch for a reasonable £46,400."
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._c2r2_max.html
according this article: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/top/top...len/index.html
Citroen was already testing in Poland
whats the latest news on wales rally guys? anything confirmed yet??
Well according to today's MNews, it's still up in the air. IMS seem determined to get the cash. WAG seem equally determined not to give it to them. Worryingly, the route should have been published by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexlake
I agree with what Jerry Williams said about MSA disbanding IMS and running a 'back-to-basics' RallyGB. Instead of spending hundreds of thousands - millions on non-essential things.
Why would want to swap Argentina with any event?Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
You do realize that the Rally Argentina is the most attended motorsports event in the World don't you? They average 1 million spectators.
I can understand wanting an event closer to where you live but it is the WORLD Rally Championship. If there is any event that should never be dropped it is the Rally Argentina.
I think you've misunderstood.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
If you look at the calendar, Bulgaria is already in it. I said swap Argentina for Bulgaria which means I want Argentina IN and Bulgaria OUT.
Read the whole thread before posting...
Quote from http://www.bilnorge.no/artikkel.php?aid=34072
"To all of you Petter Solberg-fanatics out there: you can enjoy yourself now. Does he seem competitive now? Just wait until we can tell whether a new, exciting agreement will soon be on the table. It should be able to get him back where he truly belongs, among those with a permanent seat on the podiums.
In about one or two weeks' time, it all should be in place."
Wonder what this means.. Time will show.. ;)
FIA is planning to increase GrN restrictor from 32mm to 33mm to equalize the performance of S2000 and GrN. I think it is better idea than adding weight to S2000 all the time :-) How much more power it can produce? In my mind they should increase it even more and take that extra 50kg weight away from S2000.
Petter with a proper seat??? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
I think it is silly even trying to equalise them. They may be getting the stage times closer with some tinkering, but the performance can never be equal as the cars have such different characteristics. They will be different to each other on different types of stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Better idea is to have the S2000 cars in a seperate class. They are planning an 'S2000 World Cup' for WRC, but this is probably more to try and take some drivers and teams away from IRC than to keep normal N4s and S2000s separate.
Yeah, agree, but even more stupid is to add extra weight for S2000 cars and making them less spectacular. I think that the new solution is much better. GrN definitely needs little bit more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
This is a mistake - I don't know why they are trying to make them equal. They're completely different type of cars - why were they put in the same class? Madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
One is a Production car, the other is a properly designed competition car. The FiA are clueless.....
I agree with AndyRAC, I wanted to write something similar.
To tell the truth I don't mind having S2000 without additional limits and more powerfull group N cars in one class. It needn't to be a big problem if the cars are very different. Rallys are also different and if one has advantage on one rally and the other on another one, it's ok for me and also good for the championship in my opinion. I would add N-GTs to the same class as well even though they would be usefull in tarmac only. Variety is what makes championship more interesting for public.
What I realy hate is to make S2000 heavier and heavier to slow them down to match current gr.N performance...
Yes, one of the best things about watching an S2000 car is their agility.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Maybe the FIAs next bright idea will be to add 300kg to a WRCar and then we don't have to have new rules at all! Current Fords and Citroen's can then compete alongside the S2000s... (Just in case somebody from the FIA is reading, that was a joke)
It has been said a million times and it will be said a million more times.
Wouldn't you feel like an idiot to buy a S2000 for 300.000 euros and next year a N4 worth 100.000 (top GrN around 130-150.000) is as fast as your kit car...
Extremely stupid rules....
agree 100%
It's a pretty good way to keep costs down in S2000 - If a 100k gp n car is as fast as an S2000, customers will buy the grp n and force down S2000 prices from getting too crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
Prices will never come down, engineers will see to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by cannyboy
I'm all for level playing fields and dont want to see depleted fields however there are two manufacturers with Group N 4wd machinery against potentially six or seven with current or proposed S2000 cars. Surely the new class which is supposed to be the new top level should have the advantage as it's the WRC replacement class and Group n stays as the PWRC formula...
S2000 is not going to be WRC replacement class, new "WRC" will be based on S2000 class regulations but most likely it will have 1.6 turbo engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by sal
Thats what I meant, honest! The point I was trying to make that there has to be a clear difference between the classes unless it's going to be one class system in which case there is no problem with handicapping/parity.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
The weight / power ratio for a S2000 is 1200 kg / 280 hp = 4,29 kg / hp. Power figures of N4s I’ve seen have been between 275 hp – 290 hp. The min. weight for a N4 is 1350 kg, so the weight / power ratio is between 4,66 kg / hp – 4,91 kg / hp. With a 1 mm increase of the restrictor’s diameter, the area increases by about 6%, which means about 6% more power. A 6% increase would mean power between 292 hp – 307 hp and kg / hp ratios of 4,39 kg / hp – 4,63 kg / hp. A N4 would still have to carry excessive “load” of about 50 – 120 kg.
If I could decide I would give N4 the same freedom as S2000 regulations regarding the suspension, brakes etc. (engine and transmission = N4, the rest = S2000) and give the class a new name, for example R4. This would of course add costs to the N4 but IMO it’s better to make the N4 more expensive because it’s difficult to make S2000 cheaper when about 95% of the parts are competition parts and only 5% from the original road car (In N4 it’s about the opposite, 95% standard and 5% competition parts). N4 as it is today should be “reserved” for privateers.
I also agree what urabus-denoS2000 said that it would be quite weird if you can by the same performance for 1/3 – 1/2 of the price of a S2000.
This is what I posted in November 2008:
(PWRC2009 thread)
I wanted a 34 mm restrictor, but OK 33 is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina
S2000 will be musch faster anyhow, but with less advantage.
The main problem is running "normal N4" and S2000 in same class and same championship (PWRC).
that will not be the problem next year............or yes???????
Will there be PWRC championship next year? only with N4? another cup for S2000? It is getting a complete mess.
Must say that I watched shakedown for one rally and saw more then 20 passes of s2000 cars and it's more atractive then WRC machinery for me.. :)