Israel refuses peace negotiations

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Originally Posted by Eki

Why is it that when someone links to the alleged "Hamas Charter", it's always on a website of someone who opposes Hamas and never on a website that supports Hamas, or better yet on Hamas' own site?

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Ok then - please help us:
أهلا و سهلا بكم في الموقع الرسمي لمجلس الوزراء الفلسطيني.
هذا الموقع الإلكتروني بمثابة نافذة على الحكومة الفلسطينية، وفلسطين، كما يمكنكم هذا الموقع من التواصل الرسمي مع الحكومة وأعضائها، والتعرف على الأخبار والقرارات الصادرة، وكذلك السياسات العامة للحكومة الفلسطينية.
http://www.pmo.gov.ps/

English is the lingua franca of these boards. Obviously it stands to reason that posting something which is understandable is the proper thing to do. Otherwise:
Kek chengo borri borri Toogoogal?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Ok then - please help us:
أهلا و سهلا بكم في الموقع الرسمي لمجلس الوزراء الفلسطيني.
هذا الموقع الإلكتروني بمثابة نافذة على الحكومة الفلسطينية، وفلسطين، كما يمكنكم هذا الموقع من التواصل الرسمي مع الحكومة وأعضائها، والتعرف على الأخبار والقرارات الصادرة، وكذلك السياسات العامة للحكومة الفلسطينية.
http://www.pmo.gov.ps/

English is the lingua franca of these boards. Obviously it stands to reason that posting something which is understandable is the proper thing to do. Otherwise:
Kek chengo borri borri Toogoogal?

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Try Google Translate:

http://translate.google.com/#

It translates Arabic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1654510.stm

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The group's short-term aim has been to drive Israeli forces from the occupied territories. To achieve this it has launched attacks on Israeli troops and settlers in the Palestinian territories and against civilians in Israel.

It also has a long-term aim of establishing an Islamic state on all of historic Palestine - most of which has been contained within Israel's borders since its creation in 1948.

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The short term-aim I support. The long-term aid I don't support. I'd prefer a secular Palestine where every religion is equal. But at least an Islamic state isn't any worse option than a Jewish State.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Hoo boy, Daniel, I'm afraid you are way off the mark here.
Understand that the primary resolve of Hamas is to inflict as much damage to Israel as possible. If "walls" come down as you say, Hamas will have little restrictions to import weapons into Gaza and will not hesitate to use them.

As Rani correctly points out, you cannot judge this conflict by western standards.

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But you've got to see it from their standards. Israel wants them gone. Are they meant to sit there and eat ****? If Israel opresses Palestinians they're going to want to fight back.

Back in the 80's and 90's the IRA wanted to do as much harm to the English as possible and we all know how this ended....

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Originally Posted by Eki

At least about 2 million (the foreign born Jews and other non-Arabs) who should have had enough sense to stay where they were born and not add to the problems in the area by emigrating to Israel.

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Israel is a part of Arabia?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

أهلا و سهلا بكم في الموقع الرسمي لمجلس الوزراء الفلسطيني.
هذا الموقع الإلكتروني بمثابة نافذة على الحكومة الفلسطينية، وفلسطين، كما يمكنكم هذا الموقع من التواصل الرسمي مع الحكومة وأعضائها، والتعرف على الأخبار والقرارات الصادرة، وكذلك السياسات العامة للحكومة الفلسطينية.

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It says: " Fearless Leader, the Moose and Squirrel have found the Kirwood Derby."

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Originally Posted by Eki

Try Google Translate

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No. You do it.

If you insist that the Hamas Charter as provided is wrong, then the onus of proof rests with you. When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on that party making a claim. Since you are making a claim that he Hamas Charter as provided is wrong, then the burden to prove otherwise rests with you.

A very good example of how much power the pro israeli lobby has in the US.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin

Story says she quit, bet she was pushed..........

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Back in the 80's and 90's the IRA wanted to do as much harm to the English as possible and we all know how this ended....

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How is not as important as why, I think.

Ultimately "the troubles" have died down because both sides have more or less complied with probably the most major point in the Belfast Agreement. ie:
Commitment by all parties to use "exclusively peaceful and democratic means"

The problem with Israel and Palestine, is that Israel is a stubborn and "stiff-necked people" and Palestine is a "wild ass of a people". The sooner that both sides, put up, shut up and get along, the better.
The problem is that it's impossible to properly unify Palestine (because Hamas, Fatah and the other splinters of the PLO refuse to do so), and Israel as a nation is an arrogant pratt.

There will be no end to this; both parties are wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T3

See just keep it up. I am surprised Iran doesn't have signs everywhere just saying "Bomb me Now" there will never ever ever be peace here so may as well just get it on!!!