What Happens Next?

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Originally Posted by Cart750hp

I was talking about how the owners are out of their minds if they think the Mexicans are that stupid to not know that they are being mislead. I won't be surprised to find out CC giving freebies this time.




Yes we are talking the same tune, Chaparral.

Why did "they" (as in owners) tell people that there would be a huge announcement in Laguna Seca when there was nothing to announce and not a word from the management that day? (well, not until KK spoke about swimming with penguins)

Why did they put China on schedule when it wasn't even finalized?

Why say there will be at least 20 cars when you are not sure if there will be?

....this is not a new thing from CC management/owners. SJ's statement for Mexico said there'll be 200K. What the heck is wrong with this management? Obviously, these guys like to make a fool of themselves a lot while their fanatics see this as a good thing. I have a feeling that Steve Johnson is making money through comission by the number of people he can mislead. I think it's possible. I believe he said that the schedule for 08 will be out within two weeks and it's a world class schedule. Anyone still believe this fool?

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It would be hard to. You'd think this guy has heard of the cliche, "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched". Never brag about the crowd until they show, and hopefully in the numbers you're aiming for. Never put a date in a schedule you haven't got an ironclad contract for. This stuff is so basic, it's insulting to have to rant about it.

I used to produce and direct a TV show covering short track racing here in New England. I also sold the advertising for it. I worked my butt off from sunrise to sunset, but I finally got some clients and had the biggest revenue of any show on our small system. But I NEVER talked to anyone about clients I had backing our show until I had them signed on. That would have been PR and financial suicide if I did. 'Course, we're not talking the numbers that The Amigos are used to dealing with; but just like politics, all business is local, and you don't brag about a client you don't have signed. He'll pull out of any discussion in a NYC minute if he feels you are saying something you shouldn't, just to show you don't control the strings. I also learned pretty quickly that all sponsors and partners are high-maintenence relationships, and you have to keep cultivating them if you want them to stay. This attitude should have applied to Ford, and I would say this applies to venues that Champ Car races at currently, venues they are pursuing, and even places they are returning to after being away for a while, like Mazda Raceway at Laguna Seca and fairly recently, Road America. Real basic, common sense stuff, people. Don't need to be a brain surgeon to follow those simple guidelines.

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Originally Posted by Chaparral66

It would be hard to. You'd think this guy has heard of the cliche, "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched". Never brag about the crowd until they show, and hopefully in the numbers you're aiming for. Never put a date in a schedule you haven't got an ironclad contract for. This stuff is so basic, it's insulting to have to rant about it.

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Personally, I don't believe a word that comes out of Johnson's mouth. And it's not because I believe he is a dishonest guy. I don't believe him because he's not in the communication loop any longer. All he knows is what the owners pay him to hear, and his job now is to believe what they tell him.

And when this all winds down, he'll be the only one left to take the fall. JMO.

The latest Johnson quotes in a Mexican sports paper about that race tell that story.

Just when Champ Car doesn't need another shoe to fall, David Malsher has an interesting article in Autosport about Champ Cars unluckiest driver. He covered the Dalziel and Servia situation, but brought up a new rumor, that Tagliani and Rocketsports won't make the bell for the last 2 races. Apparently the rumor was very strong at the Sebring test.

http://www.autosport.com/journal/article.php/id/1272

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Originally Posted by beachbum

Just when Champ Car doesn't need another shoe to fall, David Malsher has an interesting article in Autosport about Champ Cars unluckiest driver. He covered the Dalziel and Servia situation, but brought up a new rumor, that Tagliani and Rocketsports won't make the bell for the last 2 races. Apparently the rumor was very strong at the Sebring test.

http://www.autosport.com/journal/article.php/id/1272

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IMO, a high degree of liklihood on this one. If , as has been said, that PG's team merger and other behavior had anything to do with CDW leaving RuSport, his relationship with Petit would be strained at best...at this juncture, KK would lean towards his old pal from the JDSU club over PG, and PG knows it. If, as some believe, the series will have its plug pulled between Surfer's and MC. then PG is doing his typical pre-emptive disappearing act and won't be returning calls.

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Originally Posted by heelntoe

IMO, a high degree of liklihood on this one. If , as has been said, that PG's team merger and other behavior had anything to do with CDW leaving RuSport, his relationship with Petit would be strained at best...at this juncture, KK would lean towards his old pal from the JDSU club over PG, and PG knows it. If, as some believe, the series will have its plug pulled between Surfer's and MC. then PG is doing his typical pre-emptive disappearing act and won't be returning calls.

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Petit is part owner of CC,and no one is pulling any plug.

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Originally Posted by sanguin

Petit is part owner of CC,and no one is pulling any plug.

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Dude, I was there when Petit joined as an owner, so be real careful where you tread concerning statements about the ownership structure of CCWS...and as to the plug getting pulled, as I stated, as "some" have said! Frankly, I also believe it will be pulled, but not until after the season...but time will tell, won't it?

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Originally Posted by heelntoe

Dude, I was there when Petit joined as an owner, so be real careful where you tread concerning statements about the ownership structure of CCWS...and as to the plug getting pulled, as I stated, as "some" have said! Frankly, I also believe it will be pulled, but not until after the season...but time will tell, won't it?

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That's your opinion. I'm saving all these predictions see how many come true, it doesn't look good.

Good to see you know about ownership then. It makes the scenario far fetched.

Anyone can say anything, I know so much depends on CC's demise for another series, and its the motivation for the rumors, but there just isn't any fact to point to any credibility other than CC will continue.IMO

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Originally Posted by sanguin

That's your opinion. I'm saving all these predictions see how many come true, it doesn't look good.

Good to see you know about ownership then. It makes the scenario far fetched.

Anyone can say anything, I know so much depends on CC's demise for another series, and its the motivation for the rumors, but there just isn't any fact to point to any credibility other than CC will continue.IMO

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You mean like my prediction that Phoenix wouldn't happen? Your posts have shown so little basis of fact that taking the position you do erodes posting credibility daily. As far as the ownership structure, why exactly would it make that scenario unlikely? PG is a minority stakeholder at this juncture and there's no major requirements of that ownership structure to be at any race, run any cars or do anything other than the capital calls that are built into the ownership, which, I might add, is why he is a minority shareholder. Your constant reference to the demise of CCWS for the benefit of the IRL bares no relation to my interests as I've never even been to an IRL race (as most already know).

And I do hope you hold on to all the predictions as many of us will be calling them out as well when the dust settles. My guess/opinion is that we will all remain here and either eat crow or say "I told you so"...you, however, will likely be absent from that exchange as fast as you arrived...again, IMO.

sanguin, NOTHING depends on the demise of CCWS. Except for CCWS.

Just like in the last days of CART, the demise of CCWS will be their own undoing as a result of poor managment (the failure of three scheduled races during the year and the loss of two naming sponsors while the primary owner vacationed in Antartica), lack of a direction (the blind hope that the DP-01 would lead to significantly larger fields, which it did not) and an almost complete lack of significant sponsorship on both the team and venue level (conspicuously blank side pods, loss of race sponsorships throught the season and the breakdown of team sponsors, like Lexington Energy and now CDW, it appears, as the season progressed.)

These aren't my opinions. These are well documented and reported upon facts (so don't ask for links; you know these to be facts as well as anyone else and you know how to use Google, too).

Nothing points to the series continuing except blind hope. Nor will it until a 2008 schedule is released, and, in that regard, again mismanagement rears its ugly head once more. Even the series can't get that straight. Johnson is quoted in a Mexican newspaper this week as saying the schedule will be released in about two weeks (link to that report available on this forum), yet if you call the CCWS office in Indy (I have; have you?) you are told the 2008 schedule will be released "around Christmas." Sorry, no link on that, but I know of no way to link a phone conversation. I can just encourage you to call yourself and ask.

I am one who does indeed believe (my personal opinion) that the series ownership is going to pull the plug right after Surfers. To me, all the signs point to that. I don't believe Mexico will happen, nor will I until, at minimum, you can show me an official link where I can buy a ticket.

I also believe (again, my personal opinion) that, if that indeed does happen, the poster we know as sanguin will abruptly disappear forever. He won't show up here again to admit that his opinions were wrong.