Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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16th July 2007, 16:37
Firstgear

[quote="ArrowsFA1"]Why? Stepney has already said that "three or four people at Ferrari indicated to me, after reading stories of my approach to Honda, that they would be interested in joining a technical group to go to another team...Mike and I agreed to pool our expertise and talked about what we could bring to a team."

Pooling expertise could include sharing information on how things were done in their respective (current) teams, and then discussing how that could be used to help another team (apparently Honda).

However, this does all assume that Stepney sent Coughlan the infamous document, and it is not yet confirmed that he did.
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Well, if it is true, I wonder if there might be 780 pages of McLaren documents somewhere in Stepneys home as well.
16th July 2007, 17:42
andreag

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I suppose you think the world is a rosy and fair place then with no scheming, cheating, backstabbing etc etc :?:

So we're not in Kansas anymore?

Didn't you realize the emoticon at the end of my phrase asking for a link?

I realize of yours at the end of your phrase about being in the toilet for so long, and then I didn't took it literally.
16th July 2007, 19:12
Ian McC

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Trying to claim that Ferrari have stitched them up, based solely on Nigel Stepney's lawyers comments (well, he would say that, wouldn't he?), is not equal to Mclaren having to go to Paris next week to explain why documents relating to the F2007 were in the possession of their chief designer.

Looks like the lawyer is trying a bit of muck spreading
16th July 2007, 20:00
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I assume you have the evidence that McLaren, as a team, used the infamous document.

Then there's the question of who sent the document from Ferrari, and why?

Instead of calling McLaren "cheats" couldn't you equally say Ferrari have played a very clever game to deliberately implicate McLaren? Nigel Stepney's lawyer has said "The evidence in our possession shows there will be other people involved. Some heavy revelations" (link).

Either theory has a similar level of credibility until we know more.

Telling Ferrari fans that they aren't able to accept the reality was nice and easy! Now take a look at yourselves! :p :
16th July 2007, 20:53
Hendersen

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

I assume you have the evidence that McLaren, as a team, used the infamous document.

Oh, there is plenty of evidence. Coughlan himself has said he received the documents and that he shared them with the Mclaren team.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Then there's the question of who sent the document from Ferrari, and why?

The question is non-sequitur in regards to the guilt or innocence of Mclaren.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Instead of calling McLaren "cheats" couldn't you equally say Ferrari have played a very clever game to deliberately implicate McLaren? Nigel Stepney's lawyer has said "The evidence in our possession shows there will be other people involved. Some heavy revelations" (link).

Uhh, I said stick to the topic: that of Mclaren looking like cheats. I didn't say they were cheats. Btw, you know what lawyers do for a living, right? Hah. I'll give you a hint: honesty is not in the job description.
16th July 2007, 20:57
Big Ben

I'm sure Ferrari will be more than willing to be gentle with Coughlan if his story involves more McLaren in this novel..

Once again I hate to see how they try to deal with these guys in exchange for a better treatment than actually trying to find out the truth...

The only thing they want to do is get an advantage out of this... the truth? they can live without it!
16th July 2007, 21:10
Malbec

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Originally Posted by Hendersen

Oh, there is plenty of evidence. Coughlan himself has said he received the documents and that he shared them with the Mclaren team.

The rumours do not state WHEN he informed the team, if he only did so after the raids happened then there is clearly no problem.

It doesn't help that Ferrari is obviously leaking some information to the Italian press, after all they are the only people in Italy who possess the affidavit with Coughlan and the FIA being the others. One wonders what their objective is in releasing such small bits of information.
16th July 2007, 22:55
Racehound

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Forgive my ignorance of these matters, but is there a criminal case to be heard in such circumstances? If so, what would it be? Is industrial espionage a criminal offence? I must say I've forgotten.

yes....industrial espionage is a criminal offence........the material that has been passed is protected by patents and copyright laws and belongs exclusively to Ferarri, as all employees are well aware when they sign their contracts to work for the team;......how Mike Coughlan has come into possession of copyrighted Ferarri data is just unbelievable as far as i can see!!!!!1.....He works for McLaren, so he must know the implications of any actions should he be found in possession of sensitive Ferarri data!!!!!!.......this is only going to end with McLaren being EXPELLED from this years championship!!!!!!!!!!!....there is no other course of action for the fia(sco) if it is now proven that other McLaren employees have seen the Ferarri data!!!!!!!!!..........it keeps getting better by the year!!!! :) ......ron dennis this year has really surprised me !!!!....he seems to have taken leave of his brains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16th July 2007, 23:49
Racehound

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Originally Posted by Zico

Looks like a McLaren team member has also been implicated and suspended !

A McLaren statement said: "McLaren became aware on the 3 July 2007 that a senior member of its technical organisation was the subject of a Ferrari investigation regarding the receipt of technical information.

"The team has learnt that this individual had personally received a package of technical information from a Ferrari employee at the end of April.

"While McLaren has no involvement in the matter and condemns such actions it will fully co-operate with any investigation. The individual has in the meanwhile been suspended by the company pending a full and proper investigation of the matter."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/6264904.stm

and not just any old McLaren employee!!!!....only their chief designer no less!!!!!!.........this is only gonna end 1 way, and thats McLaren being expelled from this years championship;.....there is no other outcome if any other McLaren employees are involved or implicated!!!!!
16th July 2007, 23:57
AJP

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Originally Posted by Racehound

and not just any old McLaren employee!!!!....only their chief designer no less!!!!!!.........this is only gonna end 1 way, and thats McLaren being expelled from this years championship;.....there is no other outcome if any other McLaren employees are involved or implicated!!!!!

thanks for that Mr. Positive.... ;)

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