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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Is this not quite central to the whole thing, though? You seem entirely unconcerned about more drivers dying, so long as the speeds go on increasing.

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If you want good racing, you need to push the limits of what is achievable, otherwise everybody can do it. If you want to push those limits inevitably, you are going to dance with the devil pushing those boundaries.

I'm okay with that. Apparently you are not.

Right now, safety is driving this sport, when at one time it was innovation that drove it.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Why do you guys always make this leap. Show me where I said I want to see people injured or killed. I said I am okay with it. BIG difference.

I didn't want to see Dan killed. I'm perfectly okay with it though.

Let me guess, your only real next response is......go tell that to his wife. Thought so.

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I believe that it is inevitable in motorsport that, very unfortunately, some drivers will be injured or worse. I do not believe that every potential measure should be taken to increase safety to the detriment of spectacle, because risk can never be eliminated completely. But I would never advocate actively wanting to bring about situations, such as continuous speed increases, that render such situations definitively more likely. And I simply do not understand the mentality whereby speed is everything. The Italian Grand Prix in 1971 was the fastest F1 race in terms of average speed for some 30 years. The fact that average speeds thereafter were not as high did not kill the sport stone dead. Maybe the F1 enthusiast of that period was rather more discerning.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I believe that it is inevitable in motorsport that, very unfortunately, some drivers will be injured or worse. I do not believe that every potential measure should be taken to increase safety to the detriment of spectacle, because risk can never be eliminated completely. But I would never advocate actively wanting to bring about situations, such as continuous speed increases, that render such situations definitively more likely. And I simply do not understand the mentality whereby speed is everything. The Italian Grand Prix in 1971 was the fastest F1 race in terms of average speed for some 30 years. The fact that average speeds thereafter were not as high did not kill the sport stone dead. Maybe the F1 enthusiast of that period was rather more discerning.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

If you want good racing, you need to push the limits of what is achievable, otherwise everybody can do it.

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Utter nonsense. I have watched much good — some great — racing in all sorts of formulae, from one-make hatchback series upwards.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

But I would never advocate actively wanting to bring about situations, such as continuous speed increases, that render such situations definitively more likely.

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And neither would I.

Please show me where I suggested that.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Utter nonsense. I have watched much good — some great — racing in all sorts of formulae, from one-make hatchback series upwards.

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So I will ask for the third time, why not slow down the touring cars?

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

And neither would I.

Please show me where I suggested that.

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It is inherent in what you wish for, namely ever-increasing speeds.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

So I will ask for the third time, why not slow down the touring cars?

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What do you mean by 'the touring cars'? There is more than one sort of touring car formula, I have to tell you.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What do you mean by 'the touring cars'? There is more than one sort of touring car formula, I have to tell you.

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Come on, seriously, you are going to be that obtuse........how about any of them, or more specifically the British Touring Car Championship. You should be okay with slowing them down right, provided the racing is still "good".

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It is inherent in what you wish for, namely ever-increasing speeds.

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No, you are inferring one thing to assume what it is you think I would like.

I don't want to see speeds increased in order to put more lives in danger and that is what you are inferring.