Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by racefan08

Alonso is such a cry baby. If he had a faster car then his team mate why didn't he try to pass him. Poor Felipe he has to be careful commenting on the situation because Ferrari just renewed his contract. Maybe Felipe needs to go to another team.

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The only driver that has been going around "crying" since yesterday has been Massa to Brazilian tv.

Maybe Ferrari should consider firing Massa in the same way that Red Bull considered acting against Webber for his outburst until he retracted and rephrased after Silverstone.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Maybe if Alonso can't make a clean pass he should improve his racecraft. Quite a few other drivers manage to do it.

I can agree that team orders will take place, but they shouldn't be so blatant. If it's all about the team they should take away the title of WDC completely. It's not really an individual title when a team forces a driver to be a #2 and support one of the teams drivers.

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and if it was all about the team then they would not care since they got the 1-2 anyway. Were they afraid that Alonso could not defend his position from Vettel and that massa would be better to defend 2nd postion?

this was not a team decision. this was an Alonso decision. It was a "lets get Alonso the victory before he throws another tantrum" victory. As far as I can tell only alonso benefited from this whole mess. Ferrari still got maximum points, Massa and Smedley are unhappy, the team is dealing with a fallout and PR nightmare, the team has been fined $100k and is facing a wmsc hearing, and fans & media are unhappy. They might even lose some sponsors because of this. All this to gift an unnecessary win :\

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Watch your flippant words buddy boy - you are addressing an Israeli. We do not close the doors and switch off the lights. We step outside.

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Please don't make us laugh. I have worked in Israel, and have worked closely with intelligent people as well as schmucks like you. If you stepped outside, you'd probably trip over your shadow. :D

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

How, hypothetically, are Red Bull going to move Webber out of the way to give Vettel those extra few points he needs to beat Hamilton in the final round?

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They will tell him to "save fuel" or they might go as far as calling him in for a "slow puncture."

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Originally Posted by airshifter

I can agree that team orders will take place, but they shouldn't be so blatant.

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Yeah, so let's have all the drivers take acting lessons so they will sound convincing. Maybe the teams could also program the simulators so the drivers can practice letting their team mate past in a less detectable manner.

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

No different to what McLaren pulled in Turkey.

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Exactly or to what they did in Hockeinheim in 2008...


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...and I dont remember many in here did complain about it.


More Team Orders Incidents after Austria 2002 :

Monaco 2007: McLaren order Lewis Hamilton not to challenge Fernando Alonso for the race win

Brazil 2007: Ferrari manipulate Felipe Massa's pit stop to put Kimi Raikkonen into the lead so he can win the world title

Germany 2008: Heikki Kovalainen lets McLaren team-mate Hamilton through so he can win the race following an error in team tactics

Singapore 2008: Renault order Nelson Piquet to crash to cause a safety car period that helps Alonso win

China 2008: Raikkonen hands Massa second place behind Hamilton so he is in a better championship position heading into the final race

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Maybe if Alonso can't make a clean pass he should improve his racecraft. Quite a few other drivers manage to do it.

I can agree that team orders will take place, but they shouldn't be so blatant. If it's all about the team they should take away the title of WDC completely. It's not really an individual title when a team forces a driver to be a #2 and support one of the teams drivers.

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I guess you've started watching f1 races this weekend because you seem completely clueless about overtaking in f1.

how about go the path of fiat yamaha 2 teams in one with a wall between them

(this started when rossi switched tyres)

Schumacher agrees ‘100%’ with Ferrari

he would look a hypocrite if he did not agree

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Originally Posted by henners88

Airshifter has been discussing F1 on here for 9 years now, which is 5 years longer than you have.

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ok. Have I said that he started discussing f1 this weekend?

He hasn't noticed just how difficult it is to overtake in f1 even when the car in front is just slightly slower. But then again you might have to ignore some facts when the whole point is bashing a driver or a team.