M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...lsons-stepson/

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“They have been doing some clever things and, as I said, the pace is strong there. So for sure there are things we can improve and there are things we can have better and stronger so we will definitely work on it,” he said.

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

“They have been doing some clever things and, as I said, the pace is strong there. So for sure there are things we can improve and there are things we can have better and stronger so we will definitely work on it,” he said.

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Dirtfish already starting to milk the probably 1 interview Tänak gave them, and splitting Tänaks words into tens of articles, in this article the point is basically the same as in the first article they released, just different wording and quote from Tänak

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Originally Posted by Rallyest

Dirtfish already starting to milk the probably 1 interview Tänak gave them, and splitting Tänaks words into tens of articles, in this article the point is basically the same as in the first article they released, just different wording and quote from Tänak

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And then Estonian media will milk their articles, doubling them. Like after initial announcement, where Dirtfish managed to crank up 3 articles and Postimees generated 6 out of them. That's peak journalism.

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Originally Posted by seb_sh

If you prefer they could spend the money sponsoring a football team, in which case it's the wrong forum.

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totally indifferent. same reality.
just, let's not be so naive to pretend that our loved sport is a better reason to "corporate budget logic" than any other. it's the same.

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Originally Posted by J4MIE

Well Ford have made thousands of redundancies recently to reduce costs. Do you not have any empathy with these people that could have lost everything, only to find out that Ford can now spunk (£20m?) for a rally driver.

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But does he even mean Ford or the Promoter, sorry, Red Bull?

Gerard Quinn
@WRCgerardquinn
Dec 8
Replying to @FakeHinkelstein @NumbErer90
You are talking about an energy drink partner here, right? 😂
You know that friend who disappears from the bar when it's their round having already stuffed themselves at the buffet.......

https://nitter.net/WRCgerardquinn/st...84071592116225

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Originally Posted by wyler

totally indifferent. same reality.
just, let's not be so naive to pretend that our loved sport is a better reason to "corporate budget logic" than any other. it's the same.

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It's all a big tax write-off. The money the manufacturers use to fund their rally teams comes from their PR/marketing/advertising/R&D budgets. If they didn't spend it in the WRC, they'd do so elsewhere.

That's what makes VW's withdrawal in 2016 hard to take - every cent they would have used in the WRC in 2017 and beyond will still have been spent on other marketing activities, they just couldn't be seen to be playing with IC-engined rally cars.

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Originally Posted by WRCStan

But does he even mean Ford or the Promoter, sorry, Red Bull?

Gerard Quinn
@WRCgerardquinn
Dec 8
Replying to @FakeHinkelstein @NumbErer90
You are talking about an energy drink partner here, right? ��
You know that friend who disappears from the bar when it's their round having already stuffed themselves at the buffet.......

https://nitter.net/WRCgerardquinn/st...84071592116225

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didnt undertand guys.Cansomebody clarify?

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Originally Posted by ouvreur

It's all a big tax write-off. The money the manufacturers use to fund their rally teams comes from their PR/marketing/advertising/R&D budgets. If they didn't spend it in the WRC, they'd do so elsewhere.

That's what makes VW's withdrawal in 2016 hard to take - every cent they would have used in the WRC in 2017 and beyond will still have been spent on other marketing activities, they just couldn't be seen to be playing with IC-engined rally cars.

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yeah. but the meaning is the same. if they cut employees for marketing, it sucks, even if "the marketing" is rally racing. i'm just saying to be aware of it, and not pretend rallying to be a purely romantic sport.
anyway, we can do nothing about it, so at least, we enjoy the race.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

didnt undertand guys.Cansomebody clarify?

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my guess is:
ford in for tanak wage (at least partly)
red bull out

e: let's hope not, that would mean no loeb & no fourmeaux either.

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Originally Posted by wyler

yeah. but the meaning is the same. if they cut employees for marketing, it sucks, even if "the marketing" is rally racing. i'm just saying to be aware of it, and not pretend rallying to be a purely romantic sport.
anyway, we can do nothing about it, so at least, we enjoy the race.

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Ah, but my point was the opposite. They aren't cutting staff numbers to raise money for marketing. There isn't really any correlation at all, at least not financially. Maybe morally.

Like VW in 2016, as they were laying staff off in the wake of the emissions cheating scandal (more than 20,000 if I remember right), they were still spending money on marketing - probably more than ever as they tried to repair their image. They just couldn't be seen to be having fun using fossil fuel-consuming cars 'rallying the world' with that money.