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I could be very wrong, but it's not about being a niche or not, I think that other than the "sound" there will not be the cultural background for shaping the rally as it is now and as it has been the decades before.
There is no more symbol of the car as the freedom of the individual, the car will not represent anymore your status in the society, there will not be the masculine culture around it. Sounds and performance of actual engine fits perfect with that rapresentations, electric cars and automatic cars don't. This is why in my opinion there will be some huge change.
(Regarding rally as the second motorsport, they were referring to the car motorsports and not in general, so motogp is not taken into consideration. It sounded a little weird to me that Nascar and all those american things were behind WRC in terms of popularity but maybe they are more confined into US borders than WRC into European/Oceania).
I font know how reliable is to use crash.net as example here. As a fan of rallysport I am not following that site because there is almost no information about rallysport. So when I am not following circuit racing, there is no sense for me to visit that page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
And especially from a website which is basically useless for WRC fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I completely agree, that website is shite for any rally related news nowadays. It used to be better, and people used to comment on the stories, but literally no one bothers any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
As for whether it's relevant if people are talking about a sport as to how popular it is, of course it is.
Ok, maybe crash is a bad example, but I'm willing to bet that other Motorsport websites that cover all bases see more traffic and attract more popularity than rallying.
Please don't confuse my comments as an attack on rallying, I'm a fan of a wide range of Motorsport, but the two forms of Motorsport don't want to miss watching are rallying and MotoGP. In my view two of the most exciting forms of Motorsport that exist.
But I am not that blinkered to realise there are other forms of Motorsport that are more popular and attract more attention.
does horse sports involve manufacturers? does football?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
we don't need manufacturers for motorsport. we never needed them for anything else than their big budgets.
i don't know about motogp, but i think none of the other motorsports besides f1 is bigger globally than wrc. outside the usa nobody cares about people going fast and turning to the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I wouldn't bet on it. With the likes of Alonso doing indy it is becoming more popular, but is already huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Put it this way, last year when BT sport wasn't showing allive I got fed up the amount of times I had recorded the rallying, or switched on to watch the rallying and it had been bumped off the schedule for indycar, or NASCAR to be shown instead. Even baseball was getting preferential treatment instead of rallying, so what does that tell you?
To take one site be it whatever one is very misleading. Take for example this very forum. The F1 section has 1/3 less posts than WRC section and less than 1/2 of the rallying section. Does that meant that F1 is less popular than rallying? Of course not but it means that the rally community on the motorsportforums.com is larger than the F1 one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
And the WRC section has 1000x more posts than the Formula-E here... :D
Regarding Moto-GP it again depends on the region. Here in CZ I would say it's about as popular as rallying. Even the two biggest events - Brno Moto GP and ERC Barum Rally has basically same number of spectators (but the percentage of foreign spectators is much higer at Moto GP than in Zlín).
Citroen was only mentioning the FIA Series and in those the WRC is actually the most popular, after F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Once we're living on a social media era, why not take the 'likes' or 'followers' numbers that each motorsport series has on their official pages? It's quite easy to check and probably more reliable than looking at forum comments. Here's Facebook 'likes' list:
Moto GP: 13 267 636;
F1: 7 396 496;
Nascar: 5 104 832;
MXGP (Motocross): 2 689 854;
WRC: 2 611 603;
Dakar: 2 107 559 ;
RB Air Race: 1 915 938;
Formula E: 1 490 641;
Superbikes: 1 337 246;
WTCR: 1 004 277;
Indycar: 884 876;
DTM: 649 950;
WRX: 544 040;
Blancpain GT Series: 379 462;
WEC: 307 984;
ERC: 280 063;
IMSA: 172 340.
Under 100k series aren’t listed but for sure some others with more than that are missing. Btw, WEC numbers are slim as most fans follow the 24h Le Mans page: 1 282 841.
The overall order is probably the same on the other social media, but it'd be nice if someone could also look on Twitter, Instagram or Youtube.
Maybe that way we'll finnaly believe that the WRC is actually popular and far from being a niche series, like some continue to pretend.
Of course Mirek, and totally depends how many nationals are competing in each series that counts towards how popular any given sport is in that country.
Czech only have Abraham in MotoGP, so the interest in that country would be less than say Spain or Italy where MotoGP would far outway rallying in popularity.
I did say that this website is an exception to the rule regarding rallying popularity and the amount of posts, as it seems the only website where many contributers pull together and post their resources of information so can easily be accessed on the one site.
I think as a whole though if you were to look at all other websites combined, speedweek, motorsport.com autosport and the other nationalities Motorsport websites then WRC probably isn't the second most popular Motorsport series.
I think it's relevant to look at website posts as it is a world wide resource and not just country specific.
a glorious day for REAL motorsport... electric moto-e garbage spontaneously combust and the majority of bikes go up in flames jeopardizing the whole championship...
what a glorious sight !!!!
https://jalopnik.com/motoes-future-g...mes-1833287978
Not only driving the vehicles might be dangerous, even charging batteries. Most probable reason for fire I should reccon.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
It’s quite easy to buy likes and followers AFAIK. I wouldn’t guarantee that list is all that reliable either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Well, It can't have been Keith Flint . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
The actual cause of the fire was apparent a short circuit in the battery pack of the charging system, although it is said that there weren't any of the moto-e bikes hooked up to the charging system.
The first round at Jerez has been cancelled. The following round is in doubt, but the manufacturer of the bikes is confident they can replace them and still have a 5 round series this year. They are a support class for MotoGP which currently have 19 rounds, so it's just a case of rejigging the the calendar so it's still a 5 round series (sorry N.O.T)
Well, how many times in the history a whole paddock of any motorsport series burned at once?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Short circuit just like that. Don´t believe it for a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
When charging overheating is very likely to occur. No one knows what could happen then. Even charging your smartphone without watching could be reason for fire...
Is that question posted for me to answer, in an I'm sticking up for electric bikes so need to justify there existence kind of way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Because I couldn't give a toss about electric bikes, just answering a question as to what caused the fire.
I normally enjoy watching the CC Kitchen table as it is something different than just reading press-releases stuff with 2 added sentences that D. Evans does, but the latest one is really weak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXUC2zeu5P4
14 out of 22 minutes of effective talking time are about Meeke and how brilliant and matured he is now.
- Starts with multiple times repeating how he has 3 top 5 finishes this year (when his placements are 6-6-5, 2 of these are last WRC without SR)
- then after some 7 minutes changes that into saying how Meeke can deliver top 4-5 finishes consistently at each rally (based on what?)
- and tops it by saying that he for sure can go push for wins when told to (not proved in Toyota)
Quite strange, as both in 2018 and most of 2017 CC managed to be "well balanced" relative to Meeke.
Yes Meeke has been doing ok so far this year. Yes it looks like he is a bit more "stable" in both his mental approach and results.
But on the other hand he also managed to get "stable" 6-7th places in C3 when not pushing, the problem was speed combined with consistency, either there was one or the other. He has not shown that in Toyota just yet. Might do that, might even do that already in Corsica, but it's just too early to start celebrations based on the performance in the first 3 rallies. (Note that I praised Meeke after Monte last year with about the same arguments)
To be fair Kris has had podium pace on 2 out of the 3 rallies this year so far, until puncture, then shown speed on power stages.
Much better approach this year compared to last, where after problems he would still try and get scratch times and ultimately bin it. It'll come.
http://urheiluuutiset.com/hyundailta...-muilta-loydy/
This Finnish article states Loeb will drive Chile. He has the best experience in the team which will be needed in a rally new to everyone. Earlier it was announced that Sordo does Argentina. Mikkelsen and Neuville will drive both.
Press release from Hyundai:
Hyundai Motorsport announces line-up for South American double-header
Hyundai Motorsport has revealed its crews for the forthcoming rounds of the 2019 FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) in South America
Thierry Neuville and Andreas Mikkelsen will contest both Rally Argentina (April 25-28) and Rally Chile (May 9-12)
Dani Sordo will pilot the third Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC in Argentina before handing over to Sébastien Loeb for WRC’s newest round in Chile.
Alzenau, Germany
March 25, 2019 – Hyundai Motorsport will approach the FIA World Rally Championship (WRC) double-header in South America with a combination of crews as it seeks a competitive advantage on two contrasting gravel events, Rally Argentina and Rally Chile.
Belgians Thierry Neuville and Nicolas Gilsoul, winners in Argentina back in 2017, will be joined by Norwegian crew Andreas Mikkelsen and Anders Jćger-Amland in both events, offering consistency from one of WRC’s established rallies to its most recent addition.
Spaniards Dani Sordo and Carlos del Barrio will line up in the Hyundai i20 Coupe WRC in Argentina, before handing over to Sébastien Loeb and Daniel Elena for Chile.
Rally Argentina, which has been won twice by Hyundai Motorsport crews in the past three seasons, offers the opportunity to recapture performances shown in Mexico earlier this month. Rally Chile, meanwhile, will be a brand new event, and therefore a level playing field, for all participants.
Team Director Andrea Adamo said: “We are looking forward with great anticipation to our South American double-header in Argentina and Chile. When looking at our line-up for these events we wanted to deliver a mix of consistency and also offer the opportunity to all our crews. Thierry and Andreas will participate in both events, and will be ready to compete at the highest level. For Dani, Argentina is an important rally, and we hope he will be able to show the same high rhythm and performance that he demonstrated in Mexico. Sébastien’s experience is like no other in WRC so to be able to make use of that in our first visit to Chile will be very important for us as a team.”
Rally Argentina takes place from April 25-28, with WRC’s inaugural Rally Chile following shortly after from May 9-12.
Loeb's experience of driving in Chile in the Dakar wont have done him any harm either.
No benefit eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It's still experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I'm not sure how you guys read the Hyundai's press release, but to me it sounds like Mikkelsen has no seat guaranteed anymore. Just a feeling.
Chile did not want Dakar but are hosting WRC. Is WRC seen as better value country promotion for the expense, by the analysis of the Chilean number/ financial people? Probably select roads in that area that might be a mix of roads similar to Argentina/ Brazil and Australia/ New Zealand. Expect WRC Chile could be a strong wrc rally place holder if it is well run. Probably be preferred to Turkey by competitors.
Chile is expected to be a smoother and faster rally in the style of Wales and New Zealand. The value of Loeb's experience is to help find the setup to those roads quicker. But I can't see how a rally raid driven with completely different stages and cars will help in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Chile backed out of Dakar for environmental reasons, I think; you know, cars tearing up virgin land. Rally cars go on already established paths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi2
Yeah he doesn't it seems, but I'd still expect him to do all the gravel rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
Well since he is not driving Corsica he obviously doesn't have guaranteed seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderem
This press release is, however, completely neutral on that.
If you mean they don't write something like "our regular drivers" then obviously, they can't write that just before starting a rally without him.
This year's Wales Rally GB (3-6 October) will have a vibrant new home right in the heart of Llandudno on the coast of north Wales.
https://www.walesrallygb.com/news/4320.php#.XJtOg3WnwSx
This is nice news!
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Was it posted today?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
About 20 mins ago.
lol
God damn it. I was fooled!!!
:) :) Where is NOT?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Push to Pass has been in the 'rally safe' for years.
https://youtu.be/iDWseIQE42U?t=194
he is just low intelligence, if you follow him around for a bit you will realise that the problem is indeed real, so i don;t think you have to make fun of him anymore, just let him post in here whatever he wants, for guys that are not that complicated its a way out of real life and gives them the impression that they fit in in the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
making fun of the disabled when the disability is real is not fun...