Everything is about agreements on the beginning. BMW and Prodrive started this project in specific conditions, each side was responsible for their part of the job. BMW done all what they promised, next step is on side of Prodrive...
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Everything is about agreements on the beginning. BMW and Prodrive started this project in specific conditions, each side was responsible for their part of the job. BMW done all what they promised, next step is on side of Prodrive...
I dont know but BMW still own the project, dont they? And they could very well go on with the project with another partner. It´s not only Prodrive building rallycars.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Any word on other events he will do the in 52 car? I bet he may be getting a bit worried now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly
It will be a shame if we Mini leaves :( But BMW is like this, I remember their attitude in F1, complete clowns IMO.
I wouldn't be surprised if this situation also has something to do with VW entering next year, with what will be a strong driver line-up and a mahoosive budget. Munich won't want their asses kicked by what they see as a 'lesser' brand.
Obviously that isn't the sole reason, but personally I think it may be a contributing factor...
Maybe the economy problem for many companies do not make it easy to sponsor sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Motorsport Italia substitui Prodrive com MINI oficiais no WRC - Autosport.pt
Breaking news from Martin Holmes on autosport.pt
Total and immediate split on BMW/Prodrive partnership.
Italia Motorsport gets official MINI status to manage official WRC enters.
Future plans of development will probably continue with german structure.
if that is the case what happens to the drivers?
If Mini continues to race, no problem for me.
Mini pizza or pasta? - Neither. Basta! :D
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Originally Posted by manta400
And what happens to PRODRIVE :confused:
Who cares.
Surviving..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
Quite a few people there working on this projectQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
WT
Araujo and Nobre factory drivers :D with Sordo as substitute for tarmac :DQuote:
Originally Posted by manta400
Does that article really say that? I cannot find the part that says "Total and immediate split on BMW/Prodrive partnership", or anything similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
People are reading too much into this half-baked, poorly-researched story from Autosport.
If Prodrive stopped working with BMW on Monday then I suspect Motorsport Italia could not get to the end of the season.
you give too much credit to things reported by no credible source....
You're right. Too much people reading what you are writing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Let's wait and see the terms of the delivery of Mini WRT to Motorsport Itália. This could be a temporary solution before finding the desired workgroup to develop Mini WRC. After that Motorsport Itália could be the satelite team to privateers.
If Holmes is not a creditable what do you think is the actual situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Indeed. Will you apologise when he turns out to be 100% correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
I heard also the same that motorsport Italia is in pole position to take it over soon.. Oh well let's wait and see
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Why are directing this at me?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Was definitely directed at our resident troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Hmmmm, ok. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Can't wait until we see his accurate and informed reply.
There are so much rumors, so much policy, so much false and little bit truth in every talk we can hear. Holmes? His articles and analyses have been pretty poor in last year, do not get me wrong, this is my personal opinion. I have been following the sport for years and his analyses as well. Usually people get better with experience, not this time. What is the reason?
I think that we have to be very careful with his last analyses and articles. Remember, who he was working for? GPWeek. GPWeek belonged to who? Antonov and NOS? Where are they now?
What about BMW and Prodrive? The one who can make new homologations is manufacturer and it is BMW if I am not mistaken? So, actually BMW should have full control on every homolgation that Prodrive does. Maybe Prodrive does not want to reveal all invetions to BMW that they have found? Or they think that the price is not right? Maybe Prodrive has another manufacturer on sight and they are in position to ask more from BMW (because they have some kind of back-up door?)?
Things are complicated on the BMW side as well. They have lot of resources, they are getting pretty good results from Prodrive but maybe having seen the homologations from Prodrive, they know that they can do it inhouse as well? Maybe they know that Prodrive have someone knocking on their door to develop another car? Now keeping in mind the fact that BMW should share his secrets with Prodrive to make minis engine and etc as good as possible? Think about the places where Prodrive and BMW might become challangers to each other?
And all this TV stuff? I am not sure that Eurosport is the on who wants to have more Asian or American events. Look at IRC calendar. And what does the name Euro tells you?
That is approximately 14 questions and approximatelty one poor anwer. Lets see, faster we get the anwer, better it is for the sport.
No Dirk, nobody is reading too much from this story...the title speaks for itself: "Motorsport Italia replaces Prodrive with oficial Minis on WRC"!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk
And the story could only be considered half-baked or poorly reserched if you have'nt read previous reports of Martin Holmes about this Mini crisis and the eminent breakup of the Mini/Prodrive deal.
Is the Prodrive Mini team already in Sweden, I got the impression they were planning to do some testing before the event there? Must be confusing times there, if the BMW announcement is coming up within the next few days.
EDIT: Looking at the testing thread, apparently they are there.
Sordo's contract is with Prodrive not with Mini as he said in an interview just before the start of Montecarlo:
"I had to give up 30% of my salary" (Spanish)
Yes, the title speaks for itself, and may be its true. I never said Motorsport Italia is not making an arrangement with BMW. But this is different to a "Total and immediate split on BMW/Prodrive partnership" - this is not in the story, and this is where people are guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I was lucky to have a tour of Prodrive last year. Who makes the cars? Who makes the parts? Who repairs bodyshells? Who reconditions gearboxes? Who rebuilds the engines? Do Motorsport Italia have a spare car/shell? I doubt it. If one is destroyed in Sweden, Mexico, Portugal...oh dear. "Total and immediate split" looks impossible, don't you agree?
It gets worse, according to the article below, X-Raid, ORECA or Motorsport Italia will take over the program from Prodrive. This seems mad none of teh above have the experience and know-how to run a top flight WRC team. I know X-Raid won Dakar but I am not sure how much faith we can put in that as a comparison with Prodrive. Taking the program in-house has not been mentioned.
MaxRally | News | Mini and Prodrive on verge of split
Don't think Max-Rally quite have a handle on the situation. Much of what has been written is inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Very few things looks impossible in todays world...yesterday MH has already reported the prodrive split saying: "(...)sources inside Prodrive could have admited that the oficial Mini John Cooper Works runing and development deal has come to an end(...)"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk
Surely MH wouldn't get so far only by guessing...
WRC: Negociações com Eurosport falham e MINI ultima separação da Prodrive - Autosport.pt
This Mini mess is obviously sad, mostly regarding Prodrive rally tradition, but at the end of the day what's really interesting about all this news it's the perceptible will of BMW/Mini to stay in WRC.
To me it's all it matters to be confirmed.
As long as Mini continues I am happy. Of course I would have liked to see the whole project become a succes, but given the current situation I am more than happy to see Mini continue. BMW taking the project in house would be best but I don't see that happen.
WRC just absolutely can not afford to lose Mini as a manufacturer.
Remember how Mitsubishi left the building!! Harri was testing for upcoming rally when the announcement came :mark:Quote:
Originally Posted by Miika
Deeply appreciate the efforts of all the people behind the Mini project
but let's face it - the BMW galaxy set the rules.
And BMW can make it with or without Mini, Maxi or even a Taxi.
Get real, Mini!
Do it on your own.
Show the MAXI part of your side.
Youre right, I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that there is a different car competing in the WRC class, rather than just Citroen all of the time (Citroen might as well be on their own the way the results are at the minute, a bit like Subaru before they left...)Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Sordo to remain with prodrive WRC A FULL 2012 | RallyReportWRC
"Keep" must be one of the most common word in FB:-) Keep Mini in the WRC | Facebook
14 questions, but only one of any consequence. Either BMW /Prodrive split or not.
Ill Wind Blows for BMW on Storm Promotion - Businessweek
More bad news for BMW/Mini.