[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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8th May 2009, 17:33
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by serial jeff

Loeb wasn't just learning five or six years ago. They've basically had the same timeline. Both were born in 1974, Petter started in '98 while Loeb started in '99, and both got their first victory in 2002. Petter then won the championship in 2003 and Sebastien won in 2004, then the Subarus went bad and that's the story ever since.

edit: That said, I don't think even in a C4 he could consistently beat Loeb. I suspect, though, that he'd be very close and probably get a couple wins in a season.

Jepp, that´s the way it is! Maybe Petter is a bit better than you´d expect even today. ;)
8th May 2009, 17:43
Barreis

http://www.nic.fi/~globe1/rally/para..._sebastien.htm

http://www.nic.fi/~globe1/rally/para...erg_petter.htm
8th May 2009, 18:15
Halvis

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Originally Posted by cali

Yeah, but 2003 Märtin was clearly the fastest driver but struggled with the reliability of new Focus. In my opinion Petter scored certainly a lucky championship title to himself. Also Seb was very-very close to him on points, only backed off by Citroen team at the Wales GB rally to secure manu title. I know that norwegians are very proud and nice people, but i have been argueing about sports with many norwegian before and honestly - you guys never admit that some non-norwegians could be better.
But just by looking purely statistics, then Seb is in a class of his own. Most of all, he came to WRC as a tarmac specialist who got into grips with gravel in very short time. Petter has never managed to do that (never been good on tarmac, his only win came with the help of conditions and tyre strategy). Yes, Seb has been driving for only one very successful team and been there clear no. 1 driver with all the benefits. But nobody has dominated this sport like he has. Petter is just a good driver like Hirvonen, Märtin, Burns (too many to mention), but that's it.

And were have I said anything else than that Seb is one of the greatest? The statistics is overwhelming, especially his consistency is somewhat special.

I have not said that Petter (or Marcus) is better either, I've just said that from different reasons, Seb hasn't been challenged as much as he could have been. I still believe that with equal machinery, the statistics would have been quite different - I think both Petter and Marcus (as he showed in his last year) could have snatched a title or two.

This is pure speculation of course, but I don't think that there are many followers of WRC that doesn't believe that the Citroens have been better than certainly the Subaru the last years, and also the Ford. Do you disagree?

Actually, I think that Petters pace in the old Xsara is a clear proof of how superiour machinery Seb has had vs. Petter since 2005!
8th May 2009, 19:06
OldF

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Originally Posted by alleskids

It is already mentioned that the next generation S2000 cars should have a 1600cc turbo engine. It was planned for 2013, but the World Council ooks like to decide in june, appart from the 2010 calandre, that the 1600 cc turbo will be introduced from 2011, when the WRcars will be banned and the FIA makes a complete new start of the rally area. So all already devellop S2000 cars have to be re enigineerd to a S1600 turbo?

A 1600 turbo engine would have higher torque compared to NA S2000 but as long there’s a restrictor the cars will still be low rev boring sounded engines. Boost limit without a restrictor would be better.
8th May 2009, 21:10
ste898

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Originally Posted by serial jeff

Where did this information come from? I hadn't heard of it, and it would surprise me very much if it was true.

I think its just Bazza talking out of the hole in his arse like many of his posts on here!!!!
9th May 2009, 00:02
Bazza2541

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Originally Posted by ste898

I think its just Bazza talking out of the hole in his arse like many of his posts on here!!!!

I didn't post it. I don't know where the OP got it as it was news to me too. As for talking out of your hole, well you are an authority.
9th May 2009, 00:03
Daniel

Now now ladies!
9th May 2009, 07:35
bluuford

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Originally Posted by OldF

A 1600 turbo engine would have higher torque compared to NA S2000 but as long there’s a restrictor the cars will still be low rev boring sounded engines. Boost limit without a restrictor would be better.

Yes, but if you compare current 2000 turbo engine and 1600 turbo engine then the later one should sound better. The restrictor must have much bigger air intake to reach to the same level of power. And i think that most car makes have already 1600 turbo engine, which is very positive side of the rule. That means, they are developing their main product not something from zero that is just meant for WRC.
9th May 2009, 09:24
alleskids

Gigi Galli and Petter Solberg will be present in Germany during a demonstration event of the American SCORE series, well known of the Baja 5000/1000. Armin Schwarz has been hooked up by the pick up/buggy and has organized this event in Lauzitz (East Germany)24/25 july.

http://www.marathonrally.com/news/12262.0.html
9th May 2009, 11:26
Bazza2541

How many car companies have 1.6 turbo'd engines?
9th May 2009, 11:44
Mirek

Much more than 2.0 turbo. Almost every big car concern has 1.6 or 1.8 turbo (PSA, GM, BMW, VW, Fiat...).
9th May 2009, 19:31
RS

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Originally Posted by Gard

the worst is that Rautencash is going to kick IRC regualars asses

Perhaps you might like to go and take a look at the stage times of Ralllye Azores and reconsider your opinion....
9th May 2009, 21:35
urabus-denoS2000

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Originally Posted by RS

Perhaps you might like to go and take a look at the stage times of Ralllye Azores and reconsider your opinion....

;)
9th May 2009, 22:03
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Much more than 2.0 turbo. Almost every big car concern has 1.6 or 1.8 turbo (PSA, GM, BMW, VW, Fiat...).

Diesel, no thanks!
9th May 2009, 22:05
Mirek

Who speaks about diesel?
9th May 2009, 22:07
MJW

VW allegeldly pushing for diesel 1.6T in wrc as they say it gives more torque
9th May 2009, 22:13
Mirek

Diesel may have more torque only if it has more free rulles. Simply if You have 5.5 V12 bi-turbo diesel, than yes, it has more torque than 6.0 V12 no-turbo petrol engine like in Le Mans...
10th May 2009, 00:28
OldF

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Yes, but if you compare current 2000 turbo engine and 1600 turbo engine then the later one should sound better. The restrictor must have much bigger air intake to reach to the same level of power.

That’s not correct. Airflow dictates the power and with a restrictor a 1,6 l engine can produce the same power the same power as a 2 l engine but on higher revs. On how much higher revs depends on the boost. By theoretical calculations with 4 bar boost there’s no difference in the revs, with 3 bar boost a 1,6 l engine produce the same power (350 hp) at 500 rpm higher revs (3500 rpm/400 rpm) and with 2 bar boost at 1400 rpm higher revs (4300 rpm/5700 rpm). Limiting the boost by an ECU or a turbo, which can’t produce higher airflow than allowed (power limit), would give engines with higher revs and nicer sound than the high boost and low rev engines of the WRC cars today.
11th May 2009, 11:52
bluuford

There is a rumor that Kimi Raikkonen is taking part in an upcoming rally - the 26th Rally della Marca (an asphalt rally) - taking place in/around the city of Treviso and Combai. The shakedown is on Friday May 29th, and the rally runs just one day on Saturday May 30th (the weekend between the Monaco GP and the Turkish GP).

So, that would be his third rally with Fiat this year :-)
We will see how he does in tarmac :-)
12th May 2009, 11:33
Motorsportfun

I think for Kimi it will be difficult to be in high positions... there are a lot of recent WRC cars (Ford Focus Wrc07, Xsaras, 307, etc.)
12th May 2009, 12:02
urabus-denoS2000

Believe me,he doesn't have a chance against local S2000 drivers ;)
12th May 2009, 12:36
bluuford

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Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000

Believe me,he doesn't have a chance against local S2000 drivers ;)

Well, We will see how he does. I was really surprised by his pace in Finland when he was running in top 10 in his second ever rally.. and on snow :-)
And like you know, Finnish championship level is very strong. I expect at least some very strong stage times from him. For good overall result he needs more km with his car.
12th May 2009, 14:45
RS

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Originally Posted by bluuford

Well, We will see how he does. I was really surprised by his pace in Finland when he was running in top 10 in his second ever rally.. and on snow :-)
And like you know, Finnish championship level is very strong. I expect at least some very strong stage times from him. For good overall result he needs more km with his car.

This would be his first event with the car on asphalt though.

Would be nice to see Kimi on IRC Sanremo later this year. That would be great publicity for Abarth!
12th May 2009, 14:46
Ucci

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Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000

Believe me,he doesn't have a chance against local S2000 drivers ;)

Well, I would not be so sure about that !! First thing: this is TRA and not CIR, so he will not compete against Rossetti, Ucci, Travaglia, Cavalini, Signor, Michelini....but against Bernardeli, Borsa, Tagliani, Sora...and with all do respect, thay are not so fast as drivers in CIR !!
In general ranking normaly he has no chance against WRC cars, that is for sure !!
Let's wait and see, I am looking forward to see Kimster in rally car again, specially because this is yust an Italian race, without International meaning.
Nice from Kimi and organisers!!
12th May 2009, 15:37
Helstar

I agree with Ucci ... but anyway there are too many WRC cars, it will be nice to see how he performs against other S2000 and Gr.N cars anyway.
12th May 2009, 16:20
Sarac330d

I think that performance of S2000 vs WRC on this particular rally will depend on type of stages, if there is many hairpins and slow corners and after them big straights then S2000 cars don`t have any chance against WRC cars.
Lack of Turbo is big when there is many slow corners and hairpins.
12th May 2009, 19:03
Sulland

Good luck, and have fun Kimi - I guess thats why you do it !!
12th May 2009, 19:16
driveace

Kimi

I agree with Sulland,if you now find F1 boring or tedious then go and rally Kimi and enjoy it,may you have a satisfying result.
15th May 2009, 22:33
muscrae

Amazing 35 stages and a totally new route for Repco Rally Australia

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk...ly%20Australia
15th May 2009, 23:39
Mirek

Amazing? 340 km/35 stages is average 9,7 km per stage. Nothing impressive for me...
16th May 2009, 08:08
lcd

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]340 km/35 stages is average 9,7 km per stage...

What's happenning with WRC ?
All those 'pioneer' Ideas are taking It way from Its roots! :(
16th May 2009, 09:15
OldF

Markko is testing Ford.

http://translate.google.com/translat...history_state0
17th May 2009, 00:19
Halvis

Not exactly rally, but still a little bit interesting, Henning Solberg had a small comeback in rallycross today, in the new Nordic rallycross cup. All the best drivers were competing, Henning drove his self-developed Ford Fiesta - and had the best starting position after being fastest in qualifying. He took the start easily, but since another driver went into the wall on a dangerous place the race were flagged off, for a new start. Henning also took the start in the restart, but unfortunately the drive shaft broke in the first turn.

Bad luck for Henning, after a very convincing drive!
17th May 2009, 08:18
alleskids

http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/20090...en-danger.html
The junior Citroen team is under treat. Non of the 3 drivers is really performing well, some bad mistakes of the drivers, technical problems and mistakes from the team. But also the drivers looking of having finacial problems. Novikov is seeking for new sponsors,. even Rautenbachs money tree is looking a bit sick. Plus that the 1 man Munchi's team is performing better than them.

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17th May 2009, 09:38
AlfaWRC

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Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Amazing? 340 km/35 stages is average 9,7 km per stage. Nothing impressive for me...

But at least cool from the spectators point of view.
Looking forward to see maybe about 15 stages in down under....
17th May 2009, 13:20
Camelopard

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Originally Posted by alleskids

http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/20090...en-danger.html
The junior Citroen team is under treat. Non of the 3 drivers is really performing well, some bad mistakes of the drivers, technical problems and mistakes from the team. But also the drivers looking of having finacial problems. Novikov is seeking for new sponsors,. even Rautenbachs money tree is looking a bit sick. Plus that the 1 man Munchi's team is performing better than them.

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What?

6 BILLION EURO from the french taxpayers isn't enough to keep this team competitive?

Shock, horror or should that be sacre blue........ :) :) :)
17th May 2009, 15:49
Sulland

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Originally Posted by alleskids

http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/20090...en-danger.html
The junior Citroen team is under treat. Non of the 3 drivers is really performing well, some bad mistakes of the drivers, technical problems and mistakes from the team. But also the drivers looking of having finacial problems. Novikov is seeking for new sponsors,. even Rautenbachs money tree is looking a bit sick. Plus that the 1 man Munchi's team is performing better than them.

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Give Petter a good offer for the rest of the seson, to kill off Ford !
17th May 2009, 16:38
AlfaWRC

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Give Petter a good offer for the rest of the seson, to kill off Ford !

Killing off is the thing the championship absolutely needs....
.....there are anyway sooooo many manufacturers!
17th May 2009, 17:36
MJW

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Originally Posted by alleskids

http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/20090...en-danger.html
The junior Citroen team is under treat. Non of the 3 drivers is really performing well, some bad mistakes of the drivers, technical problems and mistakes from the team. But also the drivers looking of having finacial problems. Novikov is seeking for new sponsors,. even Rautenbachs money tree is looking a bit sick. Plus that the 1 man Munchi's team is performing better than them.

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And still people are hoping to drag (bleed money) out another year 2010 for the current WRC format cars.
This next statement is nothing to do with talent, but refering to money trees, personal or sponsors the list of ex drivers is growing, if we loose Conrad, add to that Mikkelsen, Barry Clark, Galli etc, (all that have used money to get their drives)what happens if Expert decide that the rallycross is cheaper and more geographically appropriate to its consumer market countries. We honestly could end up in 2010 with just 2 Fords and 2 Citroen factory cars. Never mind 2011 when we have imaginary manufactureres in imaginary 1.6T cars will come along soon
17th May 2009, 18:22
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by MJW

And still people are hoping to drag (bleed money) out another year 2010 for the current WRC format cars.
This next statement is nothing to do with talent, but refering to money trees, personal or sponsors the list of ex drivers is growing, if we loose Conrad, add to that Mikkelsen, Barry Clark, Galli etc, (all that have used money to get their drives)what happens if Expert decide that the rallycross is cheaper and more geographically appropriate to its consumer market countries. We honestly could end up in 2010 with just 2 Fords and 2 Citroen factory cars. Never mind 2011 when we have imaginary manufactureres in imaginary 1.6T cars will come along soon

It is worrying, and I'm not sure what should happen regarding next year. The problem is that FiA seem equally clueless.

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