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Originally Posted by Lee Roy

Bingo. What seems to be mostly forgotten, or completely ignored, in this discussion is that even with advances in safety equipment (SAFER and HANS for example), the human body can not be re-designed to survive more and more severe impacts caused by increasing speed.

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Then guess what......more and more drivers will die.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Then guess what......more and more drivers will die.

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And this doesn't trouble you?

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Originally Posted by garyshell

And where does that end? Does it end when we reach a specific speed, does it end when the cars are unsafe? Does it end when the cars are too fast for particular tracks? What is the end game? (Note I am avoiding the hyperbole of asking if we have to wait till someone is killed. But in reality THAT is the REAL elephant in the room.)

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What you fail to comprehend is we are NOW AT THE END GAME!!! And millions of fans have walked away from the sport.

There is no elephant in the room.

Ironically safety has killed this sport!!!

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Originally Posted by garyshell

What a specious argument. It doesn't take "nads" to dismiss it as a silly attempt to divert the conversation, but I'll indulge your little game. There is a very valid reason for Indy Lights to be separate and distinct from the main series, namely to provide a training and proving ground for up and coming racers. But you already knew that.

Gary

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Holy !@#$%, that was a nice dodge if I ever saw it. I didn't ask why it should be a seperate and distinct series, I asked why not just eliminate Indy Car and focus entirely on Indy Lights. I guess you don't have the nads. It's a simple question. If speed isn't everything, there should be a very simple case to be made for eliminating the big cars, you know.....THE FASTER ONES, and simply racing the slower ones or the ones known as Indy Lights.

Come on Gary address it instead of avoiding and dancing around it. Mt freaking grandmother has better moves then your tiny two step.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

'The fans'? You speak of them as though they are all united in one point of view. Quite arrogant.

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Ya, they are all united in one point of view, millions of them have walked away from the sport because they no longer have an interest in it! So yes, fans, by the millions are very united. They have unequivocally made a statement that they aren't buying.

Is that arrogant? Is .1 ratings arrogance? I hardly think so.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Like I said, there is a certain shallowness coming through here in the view that outright speed is everything. Yes, it is impressive, but, as Allan McNish went on to say if you can bring yourself to read the rest of what I posted, continued increases are also unsustainable in safety terms. This is the more important point, one that you and others seem desperate to ignore.

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You seem desperate to ignore that nobody is watching Indy Car any longer!!! You also ignored the notion of slowing down the touring cars. You also are changing the conversation now into a safety issue. You are diverting the conversation from this being about fans wanting to see fast speeds or good racing to it being about safety controlling the speeds.

Which is it so I can keep on track? Have you given up on the one angle? Maybe you don't want to have to answer the Indy Lights question either. :D

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

What you fail to comprehend is we are NOW AT THE END GAME!!! And millions of fans have walked away from the sport.

There is no elephant in the room.

Ironically safety has killed this sport!!!



Holy !@#$%, that was a nice dodge if I ever saw it. I didn't ask why it should be a seperate and distinct series, I asked why not just eliminate Indy Car and focus entirely on Indy Lights. I guess you don't have the nads. It's a simple question. If speed isn't everything, there should be a very simple case to be made for eliminating the big cars, you know.....THE FASTER ONES, and simply racing the slower ones or the ones known as Indy Lights.

Come on Gary address it instead of avoiding and dancing around it. Mt freaking grandmother has better moves then your tiny two step.

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Your arguments lack any sense of depth. No-one is arguing in favour of the replacement of IndyCars as we know them with Indy Lights. That would be too drastic a step. But what is wrong with a small speed reduction? This would in no way eliminate a sense of competition, or efforts at technical advance. Formula One didn't die when the 1.5-litre formula was adopted in 1961.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And this doesn't trouble you?

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Should it?

Should I be concerned that a boxer might get knocked out in a fight?

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

You also are changing the conversation now into a safety issue.

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Is this not quite central to the whole thing, though? You seem entirely unconcerned about more drivers dying, so long as the speeds go on increasing.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Should it?

Should I be concerned that a boxer might get knocked out in a fight?

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No true enthusiast of any sport should ever want to see any of the protagonists being injured or killed.

I am beginning to think that my earlier comment about American open-wheel racing attracting a shallow brand of fan was too mild.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Your arguments lack any sense of depth. No-one is arguing in favour of the replacement of IndyCars as we know them with Indy Lights. That would be too drastic a step. But what is wrong with a small speed reduction? This would in no way eliminate a sense of competition, or efforts at technical advance. Formula One didn't die when the 1.5-litre formula was adopted in 1961.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

No true enthusiast of any sport should ever want to see any of the protagonists being injured or killed.

I am beginning to think that my earlier comment about American open-wheel racing attracting a shallow brand of fan was too mild.

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Why do you guys always make this leap. Show me where I said I want to see people injured or killed. I said I am okay with it. BIG difference.

I didn't want to see Dan killed. I'm perfectly okay with it though.

Let me guess, your only real next response is......go tell that to his wife. Thought so.