Nope, but Pastor could have tried to drive around Lewis other than into him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Ah so the pasting is what was causing that. That was infuriating me having to delete those all the time.
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Nope, but Pastor could have tried to drive around Lewis other than into him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Ah so the pasting is what was causing that. That was infuriating me having to delete those all the time.
So basically Pastor had to move off the racing line and let Lewis through?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
I have to agree to disagree with that view as my view overrides your view which is viewed from a view that is inferior to mine and wrong as it does not agree with my disagreement on this subject that you refuse to agree to agree with me that my view should be your view and therefore is the right view :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
He moved off the racing line to block him. If he had kept the racing line there was c chance he would have kept the position and neither would have collided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Ok , so , you know about momentum , right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Pastor was tighter in , and had he tried to leave another car width for Lewis to go into , he would , indeed , have been going straight .
That is , straight for the wall .
By the time Pastor was a car-width inside of the ideal racing line , it should have been clear to Lewis that his rival would not get through that corner without going for the apex .
Lewis , by that time , was the only one with a choice .
His choice was to either try to intimidate a guy who had no other choice but the wall , or dodge right to cut to the inside of those curbs .
Now , to be fair , Lewis didn't exactly have a lot of time to think in that moment , but then , his moment to think was a few moments earlier , when he went in on a guy clearly defending hard , with a line , a car-width inside the ideal .
He was right to go in , earlier , when he diced with the shoe , as he knew from the shoe's line , that it was possible .
But , hey , now he knows that Ste. Devote can sting you , even if your name is Lewis .
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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
It was also very possible from Maldonado's line until he decided to cut across him and take an early turn in point. You're not filling me with confidence that you really have a grasp on what went on there at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Lewis had committed to the overtake before Maldonado turned in. He would have slowed down for Saint Devote, he was going to same speed he was when he overtook Schumacher and they didn't touch.
At least we've cleared up that Maldonado wasn't on the racing line now. It took 21 pages but someone finally admits it :D
The pictures show he wasn't on the racing line .
It is no "admission" on my part .
You are not filling me with confidence that you understand that momentum thing I spoke of .
The farther you are to the outside of the approach , the later you can leave your turn in , to catch the apex , bringing you out of the turn quicker , approaching the outside wall at exit at a lesser angle .
Maldonado is far inside the optimum line , necessitating an earlier turn in .
He went for the apex as late as he could , and obviously hadn't expected Lewis to be alongside .
He had believed he had shown by being so tight to start with , that nobody would risk that dive .
He was wrong .
The stewards believed , though , that he was right to believe as he did , and punished Lewis , accordingly .
Hamilton should reconsider the people he hangs out with. Their idiocy is starting to grow on him.
Maldonado's line was nowhere near far to the centre of the track nor was he far enough left, as we look at it, to justify moving in so early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
YouTube - ‪F1 2011 - Hamilton crashes into Maldonado (Monaco 2011).mp4‬‏
Have a look at this clip. You will see at 10 seconds there is a HRT turning into Saint Devot which at this point in time Maldonado is shaping up for a very simlar turning point into the corner as the HRT, so he clearly had the ability to take a wider line into the corner, thus elongating the radius of the corner but increasing the speed at which he exits. At this point in time you will notice that Lewis is almost side by side the Williams so Maldonado knew that an overtake attempt was coming up.
At 11 seconds Maldonado begins to turn in after slightly going off the racing line - fractionally. This is the point when he begins to cut across Hamilton At this point in time Hamilton had nowhere to go but down the inside of Maldonado, even if he brakes to the best of the McLaren's abilty, he was already committed to the overtake. Also, please watch the car behind that was, for some reason, on almost exactly the same line as Maldonado but yet takes a much later turn in point proving, by the way, that Maldonado didn't have to turn in at that point in time in which he chose to, he did so to cut across Lewis leaving him nowwhere to go.
You'll notice also that Hamilton begins to turn later than Maldonado does, as soon as he notices Maldonado cutting across him, and he has even less of an angle to play with than Maldonado himself but yet could still make the corner himself at this point. At this point in time Maldonado could have gone further on and taken a wider angle into the corner. He didn't.
12 seconds. Hamilton is clearly trying to avoid Maldonado at this stage.
13 seconds. Maldonado forces Lewis across the cones. Leaving him nowhere to go and they collide.
At no point here did Maldonado have to take this line into the corner nor did he give Hamilton any room to go. If you look at the line Maldonado did take it's becomes a very straight line. I'd actually love to see in car footage of Maldonado because it looks like at one stage as though he has little or not lock on his steering.
So what could Hamilton have done, given that he was already committed to an overtake? Answer: Absolutely nothing.
I wanted to convey this with still images but unfortunately the site won't upload any images from my computer. I don't know why.