Top Gear!

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

I'm not blinded by a love of Top Gear, blinded by a dislike of electric cars maybe, but not a love of TG. So it's only opinion that you can't get out of a Ford GT in a normal bay parking space?

Anyway I hadn't read the link before but having had a peak I realise that Clarkson said "Although Tesla say it'll do 200 miles, we worked out that on our track it would run out after just 55 miles." So they didn't actually say that it ran out, just that it would on their track. I fail to see how that's out of order, it's a trackday car being driven like it's on a trackday, hardly lying IMO.

Like I said before, TG isn't there to advertise the Tesla in the best way for the company. We all know that range and waiting for a charge are the problems with electric cars, and any regular viewer of the show could tell you that this would be focussed on as electric cars are generally thought of as a long way from being suitable replacements.

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No they're not obliged to advertise the Tesla, but they are obliged to be factual and not lie. Why were those 4 people pushing the car if it hadn't run out of juice?

I agree that electric cars are not feasible at the moment but that's not really relevant to this discussion.

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Specifically, Top Gear misrepresented that:

1. The Roadster ran out of charge and had to be pushed into the Top Gear hangar by 4 men.[/*:m:319opuw2]
2. The Roadster’s true range is only 55 miles per charge (not 211).[/*:m:319opuw2]
3. One Roadster’s motor overheated and was completely immobilized as a result.[/*:m:319opuw2]
4. The other Roadster’s brakes were broken, rendering the car undriveable.[/*:m:319opuw2]
5. That neither of the two Roadsters provided to Top Gear was available for test driving due to these problems.

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The fact that you yourself said that the car ran out of juice says it all about what Top Gear said about the Tesla Roadster.

I really don't see any point with arguing with people who
1. Seem to be against electric vehicles and are letting that get in the way of things that Top Gear presented as fact which weren't actually true, in fact they were lies.
2. Would like to be spooned by Clarkson and will therefore allow him to get away with lying.
3. Feel that a show that won an award for being factual should be allowed to blatantly lie.

IIRC (bit difficult because it's an old episode and I haven't watched Dave in a while) the car that was pushed back into the hanger was said to have broken down, as opposed to running out of charge.

I repeat, Clarkson said "Although Tesla say it'll do 200 miles, we worked out that on our track it would run out after just 55 miles." Is that really lying? Tesla haven't actually argued over the figure so I assume not. If it's not a lie then it's as factual as needs be. Besides the point about the charge (even if you say it's 211 miles that's still not good, my car barely manages 300 miles on a tank and I think that's crap) Clarkson was raving about the car and very complimentary, far more so than with a lot of the cars that they test. Also my point about them not being feasible because of charge is relevant, as it's that aspect of the car that Clarkson concentrated on and which has caused the issue.

Besides that:
1. My dislike of electric cars doesn't change the figures, something which Tesla don't seem to have disagreed with.
2. I dislike Clarkson intently, he's a stupid Tory twunt that for some reason seems to have a lot of people who like him (the Clarkson for Prime Minister groups on Facebook make me feel sick), I just don't think it was an out and out lie,
3. Again, don't think it was a lie, but either way I'm not the one that gave the award out so why are you taking it up with me? I've never said that TG is a factual show, far from it infact.

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

IIRC (bit difficult because it's an old episode and I haven't watched Dave in a while) the car that was pushed back into the hanger was said to have broken down, as opposed to running out of charge.

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The car never broke down. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The car never broke down. Fact.

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Any proof then? ;) :p :

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I disagree, Top Gear are allowed to say what they say because it makes them popular and it sells the rights overseas, not because it's all legal.

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No, the BBC hates lawsuits and bad publicity. The boys said what they said because it is a)fair comment and b) they didn't do anything with the Tesla they didn't do with any other car.

The car is a neat piece of kit, but it has no range when some gorilla drives the crap out of it. Well anyone who has seen Top Gear knows that is exactly what will happen. Tesla Motorcar can whine all they want, they wanted that exposure and they should have and would have to be idiots not to see what would happen.

In other Top Gear news, I finally got to see an episode of the American Top Gear. The most ridiculous incubation was required to finally get this show off the ground, but they have done it. I must say, the gags are simliar, I haven't warmed up to the guys totally, but Ruteledge Wood seems to get it. I normally find him annoying on Speed, but he seems to grasp the whimsy of the show, and I think other two do as well.

I will comment more on the show when I see future episodes...

Top Gear will return to BBC2 on 26th June.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

No, the BBC hates lawsuits and bad publicity.

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There is no such thing as bad publicity, only paid for publicity and free publicity.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

In other Top Gear news, I finally got to see an episode of the American Top Gear. The most ridiculous incubation was required to finally get this show off the ground, but they have done it. I must say, the gags are simliar, I haven't warmed up to the guys totally, but Ruteledge Wood seems to get it. I normally find him annoying on Speed, but he seems to grasp the whimsy of the show, and I think other two do as well.
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Yeah, I agree. At first I thought it was mindless drivel, but when accepted for what it really is, mindless drivel, it’s bearable. :p : .

top gear.
it s difficult to describe the sense of humour and the amazing job that these 3 people and of course not alone.
the have thought about everything related to racing and more surprisinlgly they have tried it.
however,the best and more difficult and more interesting and maybe ''more settled'' episode was that in vietnam.absolutely brilliant.

in my opinion james 's role is often played down.he isn t captain slow mr jeremi!