[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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Originally Posted by JAM

Ahhh, ok :D

But is still possible to homologate S2000? From January 1st will be impossible. And the 1.6T will be a kind of extension to an existing S2000 homologation.

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Only S2000 with 1.6T engine.

The price of a super production Mini is 346.000 £ (~ 405.000 €). The super production Mini can be upgraded to a WRC Mini by replacing the rear wing to a bigger one, replacing the front bumper, replacing the fly wheel to lighter one, bigger front brakes with water cooling and a 33 mm restrictor.

http://www.motoringfile.com/wp-conte...es-package.pdf

I remember it’s said that the price of the new WRC cars will be about 2/3 of the 2010 WRC. Wilson has said that the cost of the latest Focus WRC was about 600.000 £ (~ 703.000 €). Two third of that is 464.000 €. The difference of a WRC and a super production would be by this be 464.000 € - 405.000 € = 59.000 € and this would be the price for bigger rear wing, revised front bumper, bigger front brakes, flywheel and 33 mm restrictor with ECU update. This is of course just speculating but IMO about 50.000-60.000 € for the WRC kit could be a realistic price.

For a driver that competes mostly in regional championships and occasionally in WRC events, this concept is more cost effective compared to buy a S2000 (2-litre NA engine) and rent a WRC car for the WRC events.

I think the price difference between the super production and the WRC version is not going to be so big, and therefore DR is interested in selling the super production version of the Mini.

Excellent explenation OldF, i think there are several people that don't know the difference between new WRC car and Superproduction car.

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Originally Posted by wwbroe

Excellent explenation OldF, i think there are several people that don't know the difference between new WRC car and Superproduction car.

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Thanks wwbroe :) .

2011 looks like a year of too many categories of cars.

The FIA need to get tough and just stop this fragmentation of rallying with a category to please every one who wants to take part.

R categories only after 2011 and other categories are allowed but no new homologations to be issued so they natually fade out over time.

if only!

What is a diference between S2000 1.6T and a SP derived from a WRC?

You will excuse-me, but i'm still confused... :confused:

I had un understandment about this. In 2011 we would have WRC cars (1.6T) and SP cars (WRC downgraded) and S2000 cars (S2000 engine), and to mantain the actual S2000 competitive, would be possible to extend the homologation of these cars (existent S2000) with a 1.6T engine. That was my understandment of these new regulations... but it seems that i'm wrong.

Then is possible to homologate a WRc car, and the downgred it to SP but as a S2000 homologation?

Hmm, it is difficult.

Since 2011 you can homologate WRC.
Since 2011 you can homologate S2000, but only with 1.6T engine.
Since 2011 you cannot homologate new S2000 with old type of atmospheric engine
In 2011 you still can upgrade homologations of "old" S2000 cars.

SP = S2000 1.6T = downgraded WRC. I don’t know if super production is yet an official name but Prodrive use that for their S2000 1.6T.

In 2011 it’s possible to use a S2000 with 2-litre NA engine or a S2000 1.6 litre Turbo engine. The difference is that the S2000 with a 2-litre NA engine must have been homologated before 1.1.2011.

From 1.1.2011 new S2000 homologations are only possible with a 1.6T engine.

Current S2000 homologated before 1.1.2011:
They can continue in 2011 with the 2-litre NA engine and homologate new parts next year. It’s also possible to replace the NA engine with a 1.6T engine.

New S2000 homologated from 1.1.2011:
Only 1.6T engine is possible.

In 2011 SWRC it’s only possible to use S2000 with 2-litre NA engine. In regional championships it’s possible to use a S2000 with a 2-litre NA engine (car homologated before 1.1.2011) or a S2000 with a 1.6T engine (car homologated 1.1.2011 or later).


The case with regional championships seems to be little unclear though as I posted earlier.

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Originally Posted by OldF

The sporting regulations for regional championships have disappeared from the FIA’s web site. However the link is still working http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public..._Regs&Appx.pdf. There must be something going on behind the scenes.

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Yes, basically all cars are S2000, even WRC cars. Their rules just include some additional features mentioned before but majority of the rules is same.

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Originally Posted by OldF

SP = S2000 1.6T = downgraded WRC. I don’t know if super production is yet an official name but Prodrive use that for their S2000 1.6T.

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That was my first and permanent doubt. The difference between SPM and S2000 1.6T, if it exists...

The question about be possible in 2011 to homologate new S2000 that must have 1.6T, is completly new to me. Part of my confusion was there

IMO these regulations are not simple neither clear.

Thank you guys by your help :up:

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Originally Posted by vkangas

Does anybody know what has happened with Ketomaa/FCACA? It looked promising as next year was confirmed, but yesterday Tomi Tuominen (blog comments) said that Ketomaa has no team for next year..

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Rumours say financial problems with the team...