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Can somebody who understands these things calculate where Tanak and Meeke would be if they had lost no time to punctures?
[I appreciate that maybe they had (some of) the punctures because they were cutting harder than the other drivers, and to avoid them they would have to go slower. But it would be interesting to know the times.]
They were in Corsica:Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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What a great rally! Masterful by Ogier, but also very well done to Meeke, Tänak, Loeb and Neuville as well. This is Ogier's first win in a Citroën in almost 7.5 years, and also this is the first time a Citroën driver is leading the championship in 6 years...
Congrats to Ogier, well deserved victory, but that power stage was shit with everyone playing it safe until the end.
Also I'm amazed at Latvala's breakdown. He showed the entire amplitude of his mental state in a whole season in just three days. I hope he can bounce back from this one. Surely disappointing to miss out on a podium like that.
And then again, of course, hats off to Tanak, who would have surely won the rally without his puncture.
very poor middle of a stage that make a difference for Neuville
congrats to Ogier,fully deserved win.Also congrats to Neuville,amazing pace,pitty his mistake cost him the win.
Very pleased about Meeke performance,he deserves a wrc seat,hope he can rebirth at Toyota.
Guys this year will be more amazing,cant wait for Sweden.
Yeah and Neuville would have won without his mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
In the end Ogier won though because he took it easy with the cuts on the aggressive stage where Tänak punctured and he took it easy on the corner where Neuville went off.
Hats of to the champion!
I'm not so sure about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Masterclass from Ogier.
Peugeot 208 / Polo / Fiesta / C3 - 4 Monte winning cars.
All of Rohrl’s 4 wins were in different makes
What a driver Ogier is!
Indeed what a start to the season! Of course the epic fight between Ogier and Neuville up until to last second. But the same can be said about the fight between Latvala and Loeb, everything was possible until the end! And then Tänak climbing cradually to the podium after the mid-stage tire stage on Friday...
Lets hope for more of the same for the upcoming rallies!
VW, Ford, Citroen, no matter what car he drives Ogier is simply the best. Besides Ogier and Ingrassia legendary achievements it’s fair to also praise Citroen and PSA for keeping their faith on the team and their bet on the sport, despite previous seasons issues and criticisms. Congrats also for Neuville/Guilsoul and Hyundai for making the rally so exciting till the end.
Yep, we’re living a fantastic WRC era and it looks we’re going to have another outstanding season! (hope All Live will be able to cope!)
Ogier has never won it in a 208...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
207 however... (after checking his results)
you mean 207 S2000 ;) Anyhow, hat's off to Ogier. Well deserved win for him & Citroen who make it win number 100?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
final leg results https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/523...lo-2019/?leg=4
I’m 64 ffs - the first thing to go is the ... whadjacallit!Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Hahaha don't worry. I'm 30 and mine is going too. At least you got to 64 before starting to lose yer thingy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Great rally! And a funny new spectating experience for me... Watching wrc+ everytime I sat on a ski lift 😁
And Ogier won with a car problem too:
"We had this problem with the throttle and it was pushing the car on the brakes so it was tough. I am very happy. Six years in a row with three different cars!"
#WRC #C3WRC https://t.co/kLlDpwBQFx
Great to have so tight fight until the finish line + 3rd place fight.
Could anyone say that Citroen would have had this win, if they would had continued with last years driver lineup available (Al-Qassimi, Breen, Loeb, Meeke, Ostberg)? Was it just about Ogier or has car improved as well?
Looking at Lappi's stage times you would assume that it's the driver who counts the mostQuote:
Originally Posted by Japé
Great effort from Ogier, no mistakes and good pace throughout...
Neuville excellent too, just that one error cost him the win..
Tanak, good pace except Friday which was strange..almost like the loss of stage 3 affected his mentality..
Loeb good effort in the circumstances, and good points for Hyundai
Latavala, ahhhhh..I like him but the up and down pace is so frustrating, at least no mistakes trying to out perform his level on this rally.
Meeke, very good...we only really got to see his true pace on 2 stages, the first and the last..everything else was just driving round.
Greensmith excellent, fast when he needed to be, safe when he needed to be...
nice table, pretty expensive too i would say.
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Obviously it's highly hypotetical. On one hand you can say that they (mostly Meeke) were just "cruising" after the punctures and didn't need to risk. On the other hand it gave them road position advantage on Saturday morning and they had no pressure on them (which especially for Meeke is imo rather important).Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
The time lost relative to the stage winner:
Tanak: 2:22
Meeke: 1:01+3:51+0:49=5:32
This would give Tanak winning by 7 secs and Meeke 6s behind Ogier on 3rd. Anyway this is extremely idealized cause they probably wouldn't have matched/won the stages as Toyotas weren't really dominant on Friday with times mostly around 3-5 even on same tires and for Meeke on Thursday Neuville had better tires on that SS.
A little bit more realistic time losses:
Using Ogiers time from first pass as a measure for Tanak since I believe they had same tires on both passes Tanak would loose 2:07:
In total time that places Tanak 8s behind Ogier on 3rd place - so definitely fighting for win, but not clearly first, that can be also said about the idealized conclusion
for Meeke we can use Ogier and Tanak as reference (timeloss relative to Tanak and difference to Ogier on SS1 used for SS2, timeloss to Ogier on SS4 used for SS7 and time gain relative to Tanak and Ogier on SS5 used for SS8 time), giving time losses of: 0:43 + 3:28 +0:46 => 4:57
This gives 30s behind Ogier - so maybe not really in the top 3 fight (Ogier, Neuville, Tanak), but safely 4th
Note that this is fast calculation without doublechecking so there surely are some errors for Meeke's calculation, but it gives an indication.
Of course, but thank you for doing the math.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Well, for what it's worth, it points to an interesting year amongst the fast crowd.
OK, I am going to have to knuckle down and learn the driver numbers before I watch any more youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
How do you tell Ogier from Lappi when watching them approach in the distance?
From the flag on the roof, if you're eagle eyed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Astonishing win for Ogier. He's just so great adapting to a new car, it's simply incredible!
hot moment for Ogier
https://www.facebook.com/cyril.faure...1MTM4MzE3Mjg1/
and another one video from Evans crash
https://www.facebook.com/10000743040...0738200850505/
Mikkelsen crash from another angle
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00007430409808
The result itself is superb, we really had a great race, especially on dry asphalt like today. We still have to work, as we saw with Sébastien Loeb who confirmed that there was still work. We know we had a fantastic race from this point of view.
It's my best Monte Carlo. Apart from this error on Friday, it was a perfect rally for us. The tire choices were often good, we had fun at the wheel of the car, we did a great job in the car and we were competitive. "
A moment virtual leader of the rally in the Power Stage, the Hyundai driver could not compete on the last part of the clock.
"My tires quickly deteriorated, the car moved a little too much, I tried to give everything. I even had the worry of brakes that during the first pass. Regarding the intermediaries, it is not possible to have lost so much of a sudden in the Power Stage, it is certainly not correct. We had a good steady pace but the car was starting to move. "
Asked about the throttle problems of Sébastien Ogier, Thierry Neuville gave a brief but clear answer: "We know it, I did not believe it for a single second. "
Often critical in terms of the performance of his car on asphalt, the vice-world champion believes that his team still has to work, especially against formidable Toyota.
"It's not really asphalt here, it's a rally where the driver can make a difference. Sébastien Loeb finished I think fourth and quite simply this weekend, we made the difference in the car. We know that we still have to work. We were fine today but it was still very slippery, at least in the Turini. The second was almost dry and we saw that Kris Meeke still took us six seconds.
We can ask the question to any non-Toyota driver, we know that they are very efficient. I'm happy with Hyundai and I know we can progress.
Looking ahead to the next round, the Hyundai driver sees the first three events of the season as a good indicator of the rest of the year.
"We've already finished third here at the Monte Carlo, so it's good for the standings. You have to see all the first three races, it's important to be regular at the beginning. From there, it will be necessary to be always at the front posts despite the disadvantage of the sweeping. "
https://www.rallye-sport.fr/neuville...pYtroRpaUayk0c
"I think he's going to suffer this season," smiled the Belgian co-driver, "I think we're going to have a great season, we've seen that Ott is here even though here he suffered a puncture. , we are here, Seb too ... There is really a trio that emerges, and it goes super fast.The Toyota is the car to beat, it's clear, the times speak for themselves. "
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/ra...OiRBc_9ybx8UNo
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Often critical in terms of the performance of his car on asphalt, the vice-world champion believes that his team still has to work, especially against formidable Toyota.
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"Vice-world champion", a new title coined up by a PR Spin Doctor
Citroen is the car that has to be worked on but they have a winner. Neuville lost it due to his mistake
Damn, that one was close! (it's not the same as the most known Mikkelsen crash from Monte 2019).Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I also took the liberty to remove the "m" in the link in my quote, so it goes straight to normal site, and not mobile site :)
How do you tell Ogier from Lappi when watching them approach in the distance?[/QUOTE]
Ogier is going faster
Q:
You had a throttle issue today, when did you discover that? Did you think it would spoil the party?
SO:
Actually it started yesterday night on the road section and I started to get a strange reaction on the throttle when I was lifting – the car was going on with 20 per cent of pedal. It was not so nice, especially on stage mode. It could be tricky, we tried to check everything we could – it looks like a sensor is a bit crazy. Luckily it was still working some times, but it can catch you by surprise, so it’s also dangerous. Finally, we managed some small fix, it was not 100 per cent but at least we could finish the rally and give a last push on the power stage to keep the win. It was another busy day for my heart! The win was difficult to reach but also I didn’t know if I would finish. The sensor could be gone and this would be a bigger drama and that also adds to the emotion.
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-sogier-...y-day-my-heart
That's one of the few moments All live showed by chance. It was on Friday I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It's from SS9, 3:20 in (looked on onboard).Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
- he is actually not wide/fast in the right corner at all, there is lots of ice in front of the left corner and he has nothing in the notes about it (gravel crew mistake? notes only say "mixed" some corners before, he could have foreseen it will be more slippery below the trees where there is shadow). Still the notes on previous corners talk about "a bit of grip" in them and they are completely dry, yet here there is nothing specific and lots of ice/snow.
- when he sees the slippery ice/snow ahead he goes hard on brakes (right after already hitting throttle from the right corner), locks up and slides onto the snow/ice on the side and touches bank after
- contrary to the vid, it doesn't look like rolling was likely, cause it's harder to roll when right wheels are on ice/snow, spin out to the right was more likely imo
- from the onboard it looks like one spectator on the bank was really close to getting knocked around by the front of the car, could have been really nasty injury (broken leg + flying trough the air around afterwards)