Penske have replica of this car in his museum in Scottsdale, Arizona. The original does not exist any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixent
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4637/whomj4.jpg
Usual questions.
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Penske have replica of this car in his museum in Scottsdale, Arizona. The original does not exist any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixent
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4637/whomj4.jpg
Usual questions.
looks like Michael Chandler in a Rattlesnake - I'll guess 1982 at Indy
Almost, it`s not Indy...
How about chandler at MIS in 1983 in a Rattlesnake?
Your turnQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
ok, this is the first picture I am going to try to post from my iMac so hopefully this goes well..... file name is a bit of a give away - but you'll have to figure out the rest for yourself ;)
Henry Banks
Maserati-Offenhauser
IMS
1950
Danny Oakes
Ferrari 375
Indy 500
1952
I found this on the 'net...
Four Ferrari 375 cars at Indy in 1952
Serial No. 1. Race #12, Ascari's factory car, only one to qualify. Retired 40th lap - collapsed wheel. Running 12th at time.
No 2. Race #6. Grant Piston Ring. Red. When Gerry Grant and his driver Johnnie Parsons went to Italy to see how the car was coming, they ended up making a deal for Parsons to run several European (probably mostly non-Champ) Grands Prix in a Ferrari 500 FII. At Indy they felt they didn't get any attention from the Italians, and Parsons bailed to an Offy. Grant announced that the Euro deal was off. Danny Oakes couldn't get it up to speed either and the car DNQ.
No. 3. Race #3. Johnny Mauro's car with Kennedy Tank sponsorship. White. Mauro really wanted the car for the Pike's Peak hillclimb and treated Indy as a lark, showing off his toy to his buddies. He never got near qualifying speed. He later crashed the car at a race in Denver, and when it returned from being repaired in Italy, it was painted in the blue that Chinetti usually used. Mauro had not told the factory to change the color. Now in the Indy Museum painted as the Ascari car (pity the poor historian).
No. 4. Race #38. Howard Keck. Mobil Oil sponsorship. Intended for Bobby Ball but Ball also bailed for an Offy. Frank Coon had gone to Italy to learn how to work on the car and had accompanied it on the boat from Italy. At Indy, Coon and Jim Travers were too busy working on Vuky's Kurtis-Offy, also entered by Keck, to get the Ferrari up to speed. They replaced the Webers with a Hilbourn fuel injection system, but it didn't do any good. A DNQ. Owned by Keck until the mid 1990s when it was sold to Barrett-Jackson who performed a cosmetic "restoration" and destroyed all the original finishes.
SoCalPVguy,
You more or less have it - great research!!!... The caption I found with this photo claims it is Johnnie Parsons in the car (would be early in the month) - but I am not sure it is not Oakes....
Your turn!! :D
Chris, thanks, the article I found said Oakes tried to qualify and did not succeed, although it didn't mention if Parsons ever tried to drive it at all. I was born after that I and don't know what either of those guys looked like either... so it could be either...
Let me try to find something "good" for you guys.
Driver, Year, Track, Car name
http://home.att.net/%7Eraceshooter/i...wo/mallard.jpg
Herk in the Mallard-Offy FE
Indy
1971?
Well, that was too easy. Your turn.
I think it's been posted before :D , Anyway, once you've seen that car, you never forget it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
Also, I also think it's Danny Oakes in the Ferrari. You can find photos of Johnnie Parsons on the IMS site for the '52 race, and the driver in your photo is different.
And on to the next one, and yes, It's an Indy/Champ car! :eek: :p : :)
The "Sumar Special" streamliner, actually a Kurtis-Kraft chassis ('385-55') with a Meyer-Drake Offy 270 ('175'). Jimmy Daywalt drove the car (#48) without the streamlining at Indy in 1955, finishing 9th.
So much for thinking that was going to be a hard one :D That's it! :) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
The car without streamlining was one of the uglier cars to ever grace the speedway. So do you know why didn't they run with it? Was it rules? Did it not work out like they hoped?
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That's a travesty, alright. What a beautiful car in its original form. I'd like to know why the body was chopped, too.
From the website... http://www.angelfire.com/in4/jimmydaywalt/1955.htm
One of the more unusual strange looking cars was the Sumar Special driven by Jimmy Daywalt in the 1955 Indy 500. The car had a full streamlined sports-car type body.
Apparently Daywalt found it disconcerting not being able to see the front wheels, so the streamlined side cowling was removed from both sides of the car. The car then attempted to qualify with all of the parts that would have been hidden under the bodywork totally visible, which gave it a very rough and unfinished look.
"The first time out for a practice run Daywalt had the bubble canopy over his head, but it was off Monday when the local driver reeled off a 131-plus practice try. It was explained that the friction on the plastic bubble was causing dust particles to smear and hamper his vision. Daywalt said he also experienced some trouble with the leather padding flapping around in the cockpit. As for the fenders, the biggest problem is how to check the wear and tear of the tires during the race. They say the rubber will be checked by touch rather than the naked eye and this is one big reason why Daywalt will probably spend a lot of time out on the track during the practice period."
"Reports from 'Gasoline Alley' are that the new Sumar car is a 'flop,' but Daywalt still thinks the car can go, if the mechanics can get the 'font-end condition' that has given him so much trouble on the turns straighten out. The car Daywalt is to pilot has attracted a great deal of attention with its fenders and bubble canopy. The latter part of the car, probably won't be around Saturday, but the fenders will be there. There was some doubt as to whether he'd be able to get the 'feel' of the car with the wheels covered, but if he qualifies come race time they'll open little windows to expose each tire."
"Daywalt was experiencing troubles with his new Sumar special over the weekend and did not attempt a qualification run. He told a Plain Dealer reporter he was having difficulties with the car in the 'turns.' It was pointed out by Daywalt that it was strictly a 'wind' condition and it was holding him back from getting ay speed out of the 'streamlined' auto. The Sumar car may take on a 'new look' by the time fans arrive back at the track for next Saturday's time trials, Daywalt, mechanics, and owner Chapman Root had a two-hour long conversation at the track Sunday with a technical from Allison Aircraft company and the latter advised some changes in the body design. Daywalt said he was 'encouraged' after talking to the aircraft specialist."
"Most observers and Daywalt himself were of the opinion that the body design of the Kurtis-Kraft car was a little too much 'streamlined.' There was plenty of power in the Meyer-Drake engine under the hood, but the wind conditions in the turns offered plenty of resistance to both the racer and the driver. An airplane designer from the Allison Aircraft company was present at the track last Sunday and Daywalt upon consulting the former was advised that some body and mechanical changes could be made to remedy the situation..... The Sumar Special looks like a fugitive from a jalopy race, but everyone agrees that looks aren't so important, but getting in the 'big' race is."
"It was the oddest looking car on the track, but the de-streamlined Sumar Special, with Wabash's Jimmy Daywalt at the wheel, pushed through a 139.416 Saturday mark to qualify for the 500-mile Memorial Day race. 'That was the hardest drive I've ever made in my life,' said the veteran of two other 500-mile races. 'If I had had to drive that hard last year, I would have made 43,' he said. A great favorite among racing fans, Daywalt wasn't happy with the Sumar's performance Saturday. 'It wasn't right today, and we know it,' he said. 'But we're in, and that's the main thing.'
"Due to aerodynamics problem, both the canopy and the fenders have been removed, leaving a car that looks as though it was started and the mechanics forgot to finish it. Regardless of how it looks, it was plenty of get up and go. Daywalt promises that by nest year it will once again be the most beautiful car on the track, and what's more, it will be the fastest. Removal of the fenders has exposed much bulky accessory gear along the sides of the car. where as this gear, such as the oil tank is covered in other cars, it is in the open on the Sumar, causing increased drag. Then too the Sumar weighs about 200 pounds more that the other cars. This drag problem almost knocked the Sumar out of this year's race. With the streamlining, air packed up inside the fenders and had no place to escape, adding several hundred pounds of drag. Along the aerodynamics line, the ultra streamlining of the body caused air rushing over the surface to act just like air over an airplane wing. The result was that at high speeds airflow tended to lift the rear of the racer right off the ground. this made it practically impossible to handle on the curves... This summer the Sumar will be put through a series of wind tunnel tests to determine the causes of the excessive lift and drag. Daywalt says all the bugs will be worked out then, and in 1956 the Sumar will be cream of the crop. 'It'll be the keenest job here,' he said."
Thanks for the story SoCal, looks like the world wasn't ready for the aero revolution in 1955. They were on the right track, but still had a lot of bugs to work out.
BTW, you're up!, looking foward to seeing what's next.
http://home.att.net/%7Eraceshooter/i...o/mcnamara.jpg
I'll give you Indy, Driver, car make and year, please...
The Sumar Special had one last claim in history. It was the car that claimed the life of Marshall Teague at Daytona during a private test in February 1959 as it rolled 500 yards. It was the first fatality at Daytona as the track just opened. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexamateo
Driver- Steve Krisloff
Year- 1971
Car- McNamara-Ford
Track- Indianapolis Motor Speedway
That is correct.
I need to find some harder ones, next time I'll copy photo over to my personal FTP and rename it so the car name isn't in the file name.
So Cal
Phoenix... Your turn !
It was an easy photo. :D Only the 1971 McNamara had that style of aero ramp on it flanks. Also Mario drove the 5 car that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
New photo coming up.
Driver, Car, Year, & Track
http://shutter08.pictures.aol.com/da...3Gv8Ie01F8.jpg
Hello :rolleyes:
opps, I saw that the other day and was going to look into it but......
anyhow, awesome picture - perhaps OWRS should consider running on dirt - there is nothing quite like the seeing one of these old "big cars" running on dirt....
I am going to say Rex Mays. 1947. Kurtis/Winfield
I'll guess Milwaukee.....
You are correct Chris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
Your Turn.
Here is the latest - please ignore the obvious hint in the file name - I still have not figured out how to change a file name on an iMac yet....
Dick Simon
Vollstedt-Offy
Indy 1980
MLV has it - your turn!! "bonus points" if you can name the other tow pretty unique cars in the photo.....
Jerry Karl and his McLaren M16 based Karl-Chevy & Bill Vukovich` Watson -Offy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1752/whoyb4.th.jpg
usual questions
Right on the "bonus" questions... I would love to see some more technical photos of Karl's McLaren conversion - curious a to what he did and how well it worked....
new photo - Tom Sneva. March-Cosworth 1989 Long Beach....
Almost correct Chris - this car was actually Buick engined March86C. Sneva destroyed his original LolaT8800-Buick at Phoenix practice and was forced to start at LB in this 3 years old chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
PM me you e-mail, perhaps i can find something about Karl-Chevy.
Your turn.
I saw in the results that it was a 86 March - didn't note the engine - I actually spent some time trying to figure out if it was actually a 3 year old car or a mis-print - but I had to actually get back to work!! ;) In those days a car that was more than a season old was pretty "low budget" - hard to believe how much times have changed.....
So I wonder if racing is really that much more expensive now (relatively speaking) and if so why or if sponsorship as that much more valuable then.... I assume it is like any business where indirect costs (insurance, taxes, regulatory compliance etc.) are just blowing profitability out of the water....
anyhow - here is the latest.....
Car: Watson
Eng. Offy
Year: 1961
Site: Indy 500
Driver: The Late Eddie Sachs
Sponsor: Dean VanLines
Qualified on pole, finshed second place.
Fantastic video of the 1972 Indy 500
Link (center of page)
http://www.racingmodels.co.uk/center...118-4373-p.asp
Note th e 'dihedral' wings on the Parnelli, a young Dan Gurney and the late Mark Donahue's victory in the McLaren.
Thanks for the video SoCal! A couple of questions though:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy
What is Bobby Unser referring to when he has the "Cool It!" pit board sign?
I know Jerry Grant was penalized for stopping in Unser's pit box and fueling from his rig, Would he have won if not for that penalty?, or Would Donohue have caught him anyway?
I also just want to mention that Gary Bettenhausen dominated the race leading 138 laps in the #7 McLaren only to drop out with 16 laps to go a la the future Michael Andretti. :(
here's a link to the official 1972 field, photo of each car. Note that the dihedral wings never worked well, that video portion must have been from practice. In the race the dihedral wings were gone. I have always though that the 1972 Eagle was one on the most beautiful cars made, although the McLaren was also great, narrower but the side radiators stuck out more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Indianapolis_500http://www.indycar.com/multimedia/ph...ay=40&offset=0
1972: Gary Bettenhausen leads 138 laps until his engine blows on lap 176. Jerry Grant gets the lead but pits for new tires on lap 188 in team mate Bobby Unser’s pit. Bettenhausen’s Penske team mate Mark Donohue wins after leading 13 laps. After a post-race re-examination, scoring is stopped on Grant because of the pit lane violation. Bolt-on wings were allowed for the first time, and during qualifying Bobby Unser runs over 196 mph, breaking the one-year-old track record by over 17 mph. During the race, Wally Dallenbach Sr.'s car catches fire on each of his three refueling stops.
Grant finshed second on the track so the penalty did not cost the win. I assume that Cool it refers to the fact that Unser lead all 30 laps easily until an ignition rotor broke, he was by far the fastest car and would have won easily if it had lasted. This was the year the new sleek wedge shaped wide eagle was introduced and it was light years ahead of the older competition. You can see the difference in the line up photos. Can you imagine a car today with ignition rotors ??? Ancient history.
Thanks, I never realized that Grant was not penalized until after the race was over, so Donohue wins regardless.