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Good for you Pino! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
I like Monza and I always enjoy the ending of the race when all the fans fill up the track for the podium celebration - and that BIG Ferrari flag.
And you know me well . . . . these were among my favorite F1 Monza years:
2003 Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
2002 Juan Pablo Montoya – Williams-BMW
2001 Juan Pablo Montoya – Williams-BMW
2000 Michael Schumacher – Ferrari
I remember them well.
:s mokin:
Ah yes Race... any memory of Montoya on a good day is a great one as well.
I do have a question for everyone though. Was I the only one that was shocked that Felipe didn't pit first? Though he had fallen back from Jenson and Fernando, all three of them traded fastest laps for much of the race. He had solid control on third place and it seemed he would not catch the two cars ahead.
Had Felipe pitted earlier they now had the time difference delta for the Ferrari car, which would benefit both him and Alonso. Assuming the new tires were faster, they also had the possibility of him jumping Jenson, which once again could benefit both Ferrari drivers.
I was sure and waiting for Felipe to pit first, but it never happened.
Ferrari did the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
They could not know if Jenson will be faster or slower on the new tires so they pitted Alonso as soon as possible, and covered the other option with Felipe.
Yeah, good for you and all Ferrari & Alonso fans!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
So let me get this strait. When we lose the number of hate postings reachs the sky. When we win we are not supposed to enjoy it and instead think about when we are going to lose again. Is that pretty much what you are saying??Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Thanks amico race :) Yes Monza is somenthing unique, especially when Ferrari wins but I also remember those years when Juan Pablo won...those were exciting years for all F1 fans ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by race aficionado
You don't have a clue. The point is true Ferrari fans love when the car wins, no matter who is driving. To me it's was great to see a Ferrari victory at Monza although I dislike Alonso and his sponsor very much. Now if Felipe had won...or one rally driver.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
No doubt about it, Ferrari get people talking about F1 for all sorts of reasons more than any other team.
Due to the long long history I suppose.
You dont have a clue either. I was asking truefan72 that question.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I am very pleased you had a good time. I don't have a preference at all as far as who is supposed to win. I always support the team, although I do have a weakness for MS :)
Not me - I moved off them when they had Cheatmacher and JV was racing!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
My alltime favorite was in 1979 when Jody Scheckter achieved the ultimate in motor racing that few others have and in total nobody will again:
driving a Ferrari, winning the Italian Grand Prix driving for the first time at Monza as Ferrari driver, and winning the World Championship on the day and doing all this while Enzo Ferrari was still alive.
And in typical fashion, Ferrari who was always a big fan of Jody, said "bravo campiogne" [excuse my spelling] afterwards, and that was it! Ferrari like Jody was a man of few words, but they meant something.
My other favorite Ferrari memory was when Jean Alesi was leading at Monza - he did not win but retired with mechanical problems, but it was superb.
Not to forget the win of one of my favorite drivers, that of Clay Regazzoni in the most beautiful racing car ever built, the 312bT, in 1975.
A few wonderful memories that I cherish.
It is indeed always special when Ferrari win at that very special track Monza.
Well, the chance of anyone winning a race while Enzo is alive would be very slim these days, let alone winning the championship for Ferrari. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Right GV let him win cuz the old man told him to!!
Yep, but the discussion started when one Italian poster started bashing former Ferrari drivers....Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
Alonso drove well this race. I´m not a fan of his, but his win puts moore excitement to the championship.
Did you read my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
Did I say not to enjoy the win or celebrate as loud and as proud as you can?
I objected to Pallone bringing in Hamilton in the discussion as basically saying that his first lap incident was proof that he was a fool while conveniently forgetting what his new hero did just the race before and all too often in 2010.
2. I actually came to the defense of a Ferrari driver and complimented him for his superb achievement in 2007 and found it quite funny how he was so easy to dismiss kimi despite bring such glory to the team in his 3 short years at the team.
So I suggest you clear the red mist and actually read the posts before assuming that either one of my posts where some sort of affront to your favorite team. So you pretty much got everything completely wrong in what I was saying :\
so then what was wrong with what I said, and where in my post did I say to temper your enthusiasm? I actually made your point that a true ferrari fan would be happy about any Ferrari win instead of bashing a former and most recent WDC champ from the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
jeez...
Besides all this endless Kimi v Alonso talk it is worth noting that their first seasons in Ferrari are not too dissimilar. Alonso might still "do a Kimi" and win in the end despite overall a bit disappointing season and playing catch-up in the standings almost all year. The difference is that Alonso has got Massa under control better than Kimi ever had.
It looks like the main difference derives from qualifying. Massa managed to outqualify Kimi more often than not and thus managed to often get superior results. On the other hand Alonso manages to outqualify Massa almost on a consistent basis.
As we see, current Massa is actually quite fast. He has come to grips with the car and manages to basically match Alonso's race pace, likewise he managed to match Kimi's race pace. But the difference is qualifying and track position - you may match pace, but there is a big difference whether you're in front or behind. And with the exception of some driving mistakes, this is where Alonso manages to play his cards well compared to Massa.
The other difference being that Kimi raced Massa on equal terms. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Mille grazie Santander! :down:
Or maybe you missed the German GP this season?
The question is whether Massa is the same driver he was before that spring almost killed him? Häkkinen never was after his accident, he admitted it himself. He won 2 WDCs after that but was cautios, for example, in rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Good observation...Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
When he was racing against kimi, he wasnt told to lower the RPMs of his car, while Kimi was told to increase his.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
Massa has no chance against Santander, when he was made nr.2 driver since before the first race.
There were team orders in Brazil '07 and China '08 as well. Granted, this year they happened much earlier in the season, but then again in 07-08 one Ferrari hadn't accumulated notably more points than the other by mid-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I haven't seen those special qualifying laps by Massa for two years already that were existent in 2008, so I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. But I have to say Alonso's qualifying performances have slightly exceeded my expectations - after getting outqualified by Trulli and Hamilton I expected him to be more vulnerable in this area in the team-mate battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DexDexter
I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with Massa's race pace at the moment - whether he is or isn't quite as aggressive in wheel-to-wheel racing as he used to be, is harder to say. Another question is whether it took half a season for Massa to adapt to the car due to accident and pause in racing - meaning that maybe he is slower in adapting than he used to be?!
As mentioned earlier in this thread, Massa wasn't asked to move over for Alonso in Australia and Malaysia, when he was still very much a front-runner in the points standings. How much Alonso has been preferred in the car preparation phase, is harder and subjective to tell. But in Massa's case I'm very much looking forward to 2011 and hoping he finds that extra tenth in qualifying, which he would badly need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
In 2007 and 2008 it was agreed before the race and only when one of them had a chance to win the WDC, this time around it came out of the blue, or maybe out of Alonso's whining?!Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
you have no shame man. where were your high moral standards in 2002? Back then team orders were issued much earlier in the season and were absolutely unnecessary. this post is the pinnacle of hypocrisy. you are nothing but a troll and I don´t get why the mods didn´t ban you for good by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
There were no rules against team orders back in 2002.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
Next time get your facts right before insulting other forum members.
Anyway it was a pleasure to hear Alonso squealing for team orders.
Best of all was that even though Ferrari asked Massa to turn the revs down and still Alonso wasn't able to overtake him and had to beg for team orders.
I guess it was the same back at Renault against Trulli and Fisichella only that we didn't get to hear their radio conversations back then, what a pity.
perhaps you should go back to your post because you seem to forget that it wasn´t the breaking of the rules you were complaining about.... as for the rest of the post it´s just trolling... again and I'm not here to feed you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I recall once FA complained over the radio about Fisichella holding him while the almighty MS benefited from a very kind and well intended slow lap of Massa just before pit stop... I think the year was 2006, and the GP was in US... and team orders were banned btwQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Its is quite common knowledge that the flav favored alonso to such a degree that many thought the team might as well be running one car then. We all know how they treated trulli and Fisi (whose fragile personality did not help matters either) so it came as a shock to alonso when he was not given preferential treatment at Mclaren. Was back to his usual ways at Renault, where it was clear he was the number one and his teammates were barely worthy of an f1 seat, then made sure once he got to Ferrari to secure some sort of an agreement which favored him because massa on his day would give him a run for his money.Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
It is funny how the 3 biggest scandals to hit formula one of recent memory all have to do with Alonso trying to get his way to the detriment of his team, the sport and his fellow driver.
I predicted that Ferrari situation would result in a mess by hockenheim, and funny enough...it did.
The problem was that the team didn't tell Fisi to move out of the way like Massa was doing for MS but that situation doesn't go welll with the bashing festQuote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Exactly, however I wouldn't call it funny, it's shocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
There fixed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
pretty funny - as long as they have radios and pitboards there will be team orders. That is why no punishment for ferrari. FIA just wants it not to be blatant.
Funny, I though that the biggest scandal came because one team stole data from another... Silly me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodster
If the story has some truth to it - Briatore to replace Domenicali eventually?
Alonso may be trying to work according to the Schumi formula. And why not?
Flavio is an excellent manager and if Webber is still aound why not have his other driver there too - Massa in my view is not going to last long - Alonso is in the process of demolishing him - using a Senna tactic.
Maybe by that time Bianchi will be ready for f1, but if not, Mark - perhaps a former world champion - could see out his twilight years as an f1 driver and ramp up his post grand prix career worth quite a lot!
Just a thought :-]
I would not be surprised by this move and it actually makes sense. Briatore has always preached the #1 favored driver approach and Alonso prefers that. Briatore is Italian and is quite the opposite of Domenicali in personality. To me Domenicali has always appeared as too nice for such a high profile team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I also think Massa is on his way out and when it does happen he will rue not saying FU to Ferrari and making it hard if not impossible for his teammate to pass him in Germany. Massa deserves better and is a solid driver but he has been pegged as #2. Too bad they couldn't just tell him that.
That´s right, the rumour in Italy is that felipe will be sacked and ferrari rehire Kimi.
http://translate.google.fi/translate...ssa%2F19151%2F
Well if you believe that Flavio will be taking over the reins at Ferrari then I doubt you will see Kimi there. Alonso will move to the solid number 1 position and Massa will have to agree to lapdog status or be replaced by someone who will accept that position. Any we all know there are many!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Absolutely agree with you and Alonso would not want Kimi on his team anyways. Kimi is just too good to agree to that. Although I don't dispute the rumor it's just that I don't see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
That's why I think Red Bull or Renault would be the better fit for Kimi.
That would be quite interesting but highly unlikely I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01