I agree, but that doesn't mean that the point shouldn't be raised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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I agree, but that doesn't mean that the point shouldn't be raised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
my objection was how the guardrails are positioned....i think having their end so high and not going to the ground as most guardrails creates unecessary danger.
Nice to hear that Kubica woke up and can communicate.
Safety issues are the most important issues to discuss in this forum and in the rallying community. I have been probably one of the most active participants in this and other forums about the safety issues with Iskald, Pentti and other experts that I have so much respect for.
But.
Rallying is sport that is participated in natural environment, you have to drive between trees, cliffs and rails. Risk of death is present all the time. And that is part of the excitement, a big part.
I have injured myself in rally accident in 2005. My neck won't be the same never again. Luckily my injuries were not life threathening or too serious, but they will harm my life the rest of my life. But I am very much aware of that they could have been.
And I am still participating in taking those huge risks needed.
Because that is my passion.
It is the same with everyone driving in rally. Robert drove purely just because of his passion for the rallying. And it is the same with the thousands of rallydrivers in the world. You'll risk everything...
That's true but what can You do with that when they are everywhere? It's like with trees around stages here in CZ or in Finland. They are on every stage. Theoretically You can remove them but practically You can't. In reality You have two options - to make stages that way You avoid the most risky places while You know there are still many other on stages or not to make any stages at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
shocking photo just to understant how lucky Robert was
http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...=359586&page=3
http://forums.autosport.com/index.ph...142119&st=1560
Bad quality of this cars..
the thing is you cannot remove trees/cliffs/natural dangers ects but you can make guardrails end to the ground, why add more dangers to the current existing ones ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
One thing I do not understand: people say he hit a gap in the armco. But if you see at the onboard videos, the armco before the accident is completely bent backwards over the edge. To me it looks like the armco was a single piece, but that the violent impact ripped it apart. It doesn't make any sense to have a gap in the armco at that point.
Ehm, have You realized that those guardrails are already there? We can say thousand times that they are wrong and we are right but it doesn't change anything on fact that they are there. So in results, it's same like trees...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
With most stages ran twice, the WRC/IRC rounds use about 150-200kms of road per rally. What's more, most of the stages are in the rally year after year.
Think that from now on FIA will carefully check for traps of this kind on these major events as no normal racing car can keep the sharp guardrail end from penetrating, when the car is perfectly aligned against it (and even held in position by the previous guardrail like here).
Trees aren't nearly as deadly as this with the impact being absorbed by much larger area...neither are they man-made.
The local roading authorities can gradually replace them with safer designs, however, in the natural course of maintaining the roads. They'll certainly need to repair the armco where Kubica crashed, for example, and so why not have one with tapered ends or something? Perhaps rallying can be a force for good in leading the fight for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Not a short-term solution but maybe the most realistic one.
Hi frist time post on here, wish robert a speed recovery.
I was wondering if they have these on guard rail in europe to so them entering cars?
http://www.turnerfence.com/guardrails.jpg
can't work out how to edit post but that should say first and stop instead of so
I just realized that Kubica drove car number 4... Number four... :s hock:
well it certainly ended far better than the bettega and toivonens cars...
In the UK there has been a recent surge of these being installed, or ones similar. I think the idea is that the end piece moves along and the first part of the barrier is easily collaspable. However on a small road like the one that Kubica was on it is unlikely that the money would have been spent to change them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dug83
Some news from Italy...
Robert feels better today. He talks to the friends and family members that visit him and jokes. He can move the fingers of the broken hand. He still doesn't remember the accident. The doctors say that he may return to normal life within a few weeks, but return to the sport will take much, much longer.
Robert awaits three more operations.
Yeah it moves down the barrier when you crash into it and bends the barrier back on itself stopping it entering the car.
Statistically rallying is up there with cliff skydiving as one of the absolutely most dangerous sports in the world. And I hate to point out this to you, Rallyper, the sport already affords a number of fatalities each year. I tried to keep a record a couple of years ago, 2008 or 2009 I think it was, with something like 13 fatalities recorded through the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
A great number of drivers/codrivers survives each year purely because of luck. Robert Kubica was one of them this year...
Here directly:Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
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Just as I already thought, there was no gap in the armco...
According to Jakub Gerber, co-driver of Kubica, there was a gap. In this photo You can see the railguard and it looks like end part with no screw/rivet holes or any other connection elements.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...xS0bO/610x.jpg
Robert getting support from AC Milan and the Ferrari F1 Team ( http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formu..._with_you.aspx ) . You really need to meet him in person to see how normal a character he is , so down-to-Earth , optimistic and great . It makes me very happy to see that he's optimistic and almost-fully functioning , keep on the good news ! :D
News ?
everything is going ok, today he should be moved from "intensive care". tomorrow probably two surgeries, but everything according to a plan
Some photos from F1 test sessions on Circuito de Jerez:
http://f1.autoklub.pl/news/zyczenia-z-jerez,34366
More photos :)
http://www.sport.pl/F1/1,96296,90838...h_w_Jerez.html
Any news regarding Rossetti/Basso plans for 2011 ???
Luca goes for ERC again, entry of Croatia is almost confirmed. He's trying to get the budget for other events like Ypres.Quote:
Originally Posted by JTGANG
ERC starts with ELPA Rally though!!! I hope he'll visit us!!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Abarth Punto s2000 again or new car?Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Looks like both Piero Longhi and Andrea Perego will drive a Prodrive Mini in ERC this year ;)
Interesting news! Is that Mini a Super 2000 or a 1,6 Turbo car? It seems at least two teams will have Minis in Italy this year - Grifone and Twister Corse. I saw the rally version of Mini in Belgium yesterday. It looks really big, it's not "mini" in any way! :)
The Mini S2000 as the 1600 turbo engineQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Piero Longhi is searching budget for ERC, second option is TRT. About Perego, I havent heard about his plans about ERC. He wants to do Ciocco with Mini, but about future plans...
Eddie Sciessere, Simone Romagna and Elwis Chentre is the winner podium of Rally Franciacorta(a rallyshow on circuit racing)today ;)
http://rally.ficr.it/tab_schedule.as...ifestazione=31
Fantastic Stefano d'Aste on his Lotus GT was third for a long time before going off track and retired :(
Bad luck for Pierro Longhi with mechanical problems(differential, then engine)who was third with two stages left to go :mad:
Yep again with Punto :)Quote:
Originally Posted by morganmilan
I don't think so.
You don't think so, or you know it's not Punto? Tell us what is it then!
Btw, Punto S2000 is a dead project or Abarth is still running (improving) the car?
UCCI to take part to Ronde delle due Comuni this week-end at the wheels of his usual Racing Lions 207 S2000 ;)
Unfortunately there won't be big opponents to him there(Alessandro Perico will be there too, but won't ba a threat) :mark: