Here it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
Petter Solberg fikk ny bil
Petter Solberg had a new car
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Here it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
Petter Solberg fikk ny bil
Petter Solberg had a new car
and here
And what extra performance does the new Xsara have? the 2005 car Petter had was the latest develloped model of the Xsara as I understood.
Is it know which car manufacturer he will meet tomorrow?
Not only that!On motorsport.no he says that if his car still doesn't work he will switch to another in Acropolis.Also,he told that had a word with Ford as well...!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
Burcu Cetinkaya will compete in 4 rounds of WRC (Poland,Finland,Spain,GB) with the new Fiesta R2.
Great News... :) Burcu really deserves that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis11
There is a rumor that Robert Kubica has bought Skoda Fabia WRC. It is not yet know what are his plans with it. Possibly rally Poland? But there will be some difficulties as he is working for BMW but Skoda belongs to VW group :-)
Ford won't give him a latest spec car either so i'm not sure what he hopes to achieve with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
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Originally Posted by tolis11
As I have heard, the new Fiesta will be homologated beginning of July, so how can she do Poland with the car??
Otherwise allways a pleasure to see a fast nice looking girls in rallies...
Even wrc.com have written about Solberg considering a switch to the 307.
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk...tch%20to%20307
But as it seems now, Petter is going to get the parts he wants for the Xsara.
Solberg in a whale would look great to my mind :bounce: :D
Not the next generation S2000 cars but the next generation WRC cars! :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Pougeot should support Solberg switching to a 307, he could put them on top of the podium again!
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Originally Posted by Saabaru
Ha ha ha ha ha ha (breath) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!
Brilliant, just brilliant. Best joke I have heard in ages.
Why?
1. Pug is old car
2. Pug = PSA = Citroen, so if Citroen doesn't support Solb, why would Pug do that?
3. Solberg is quick, but to get on the first spot with old car would be miraculous... :)
HaCo: I don't think that Peugeot 307 spec. 06 is worse than Xsara spec. 05. 307 06 was pretty succesfull car with Stohl and Henning. Both made their best results with it ;)
car would not necessarily be from Peugeot (Olivier Quensel) but sourced from a satellite team e.g Bozian. Also remember that FX engineered the 307, and like a few cars before (Ford Escort Mk2 stopped being a factory car in 1979, and had some notable successes with Ari, after that and to a lesser extent with the Corolla WRC in 2000 with Markko) the 307 evolved into a better car after it ended its 'factory team' life. The engines of the 307 are built by Pipo abd are very strong. There is no reason why a PSWRT 307 wouldnt challenge for a podium. Quensel / Loeb combination wont give Petter any chance of upseting the corporate goal of PSA.
Excellent joke. On his very very best day Solberg is not worthy of doing up Loebs belts. I'd bet big money that Loeb doesn't ly awake at night worrying about Petter beating him. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
I bet that would be a dream come true for you Tom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
So why did Loeb veto Petter getting a C4 earlier this year, and Quensel had to be persuaded by his bosses to let Petter get the Xsara?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
If what you say is true, maybe Loeb was afraid of Solberg embarassing Citroen? Maybe he was worried that Solberg couldn't afford it? But this is the first time I have heard that Loeb stopped Solberg getting the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
As for the other question, Citroen don't sell to privateers.
Exactly and he wanted to buyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
Bazza - what you got against Petter? No-one is saying he'll beat Loeb in any car but he can challenge for podiums already. Arguably he's better than JML and Sordo, even in worse machinery.
I think if Petter had a top spec Ford or C4 then it would be a 3 horse-race for WDC with Mikko and Seb.
I have nothing against Petter, I am sure he is a very nice man. I do have problems with the delusions of some of the people on here who at different times since the start of this season have stated that Petter will win every rally, get Loebs seat, get Hirvonens seat, get Latvalas seat, drive for Citroen, drive for Ford, start his own team with Henning, drive for Stobart, drive an EVO, drive a Subaru, beat Loebs C4 with a Xsara and now challenge Loeb in a 306. Every post seems to start with 'IF', well 'IF' your Auntie had balls she'd be your Uncle.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
and if you had balls? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
I'd be doing your Ma, oh wait I am. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cut the b.s.
Where did this information come from? I hadn't heard of it, and it would surprise me very much if it was true.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Anyway, I don't think its a delusion to consider Petter to be a fast driver. He and Marcus are the only drivers that can beat Loeb. It could be that things have changed in the several years that Subaru was making crappy cars, but they were always very close in 2004 and 2005. But almost every 2006 rally ended with some unexpected mechanical failure for Petter, though up until then he was usually setting some solid times.
Loeb is undoubtedly an awesome driver. But the bigger reason for his current dominance is that there's no one left who can challenge him. Mikko was never as fast as Marcus, but became Ford's principal driver due to Marcus's retirement. It even looked like Marcus was going to get the title in 2007 until the last few rallies.
I never said he wasn't a fast driver. He is not in the same league as Loeb. Five or six years ago when Loeb was still learning yes maybe Solberg was able to beat him, now Loeb is the defination of a champion and there is noone, not even Marcus, who can touch him.
Loeb wasn't just learning five or six years ago. They've basically had the same timeline. Both were born in 1974, Petter started in '98 while Loeb started in '99, and both got their first victory in 2002. Petter then won the championship in 2003 and Sebastien won in 2004, then the Subarus went bad and that's the story ever since.
edit: That said, I don't think even in a C4 he could consistently beat Loeb. I suspect, though, that he'd be very close and probably get a couple wins in a season.
Loeb started in 2001, not 98. Solberg has 142 rally starts compared to Loebs 118. Loeb has 52 wins compared to Solbergs 13. That tells the story right there.
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Originally Posted by Bazza2541
Finally someone who understands
Actually, Loeb started doing rally´s I think around 1995, while Solberg debuted in 1996. WRC wise, 2001 is wrong, Loeb started in 1999 as serial jeff said and his first World Rally Car experience came in 2000, followed by a works seat the next year, while he was already in the Citroën project for some time, which for years is basically a team build around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
Solberg might have been competing at high level longer, but he started out when WRC was in a more competitive state. He was a good match for Loeb from 2002-05, but 2006 onwards needs no explanation if you know the facts.
Anyway, statistics don´t say everything. But had Subaru stayed competitive, the numbers surely would have been tweaked a bit different.
Loeb first started rallying in 1995, Solberg first started in 1991. Loeb entered S1600 in 98 and WRC in 01. Solberg entered WRC in 98, hence the difference in WRC starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josti
Petter didn't start rallying before in 1996. In 1992 - 96 he did rallycross, bangerracing and hillclimbing.
Well, the experience is pretty equal I would say, and if you consider all the rallies where Petter have been forced to quit due to mechanical problems I think Seb has driven more mileage than Petter!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza2541
Also, there's no doubt that Seb is very, very fast and without a doubt the most consistent driver WRC has seen, but I don't think that he is so invincible that you are claiming. If you go back a few years, everyone knows that Petter won in 2003, but as many might not remember, he was clearly the fastest driver also in 2004, with 95 SS victories, while Seb had 65 (Marcus had 69 BTW). The reason why Petter didn't win overall, was due to the unreliability of the Impreza, amongst many problems, it was the year of the watersplash problems, where the car stopped when crossing water several times. Then from 2005 on, the Impreza got even worse.
Marcus has always been on par with Seb (on gravel that is) also, but the years in the 307 took away his chance for another win. In 2006, when he swapped to Ford, he was just as fast as Seb (123 SS wins, Seb 86 - Seb was out the last rallies that year). His last season, he lead most of the year and should have won, just the error with the thickness of the rear side windows in Portugal where he got 5 min. penalty and a stupid spin in Irland took away his title.
Another factor is of course also the car, there's no doubt that Seb has had the best car from 2004 and up to now, especially invincible on tarmac - which have been the decisive factor on the years where there have been close fights for the title.
Don't misunderstand me, Seb will go into history as the most winning driver ever and one of the greatest, but in my opinion there is a combination of several factors that has made his success, not only driving skills.
Partly correct. He did very little bangerracing (bilcross) in this period, no more than a handful of races. Petter debuted in hillclimb with a Ford Escort RS2000 MK2 in april 1993. He did a couple of seasons hillclimb and rallycross in this car, and then he advanced to a Supernational Volvo 242 for 1995.With the Volvo he won the Norwegian Rallycross and Hillclimb championships both in 95 and 96. (A couple of years ago he actually bought his Volvo back from another driver, and he has now restored it to mint condition.)Quote:
Originally Posted by bennizw
Petters first proper rally was Rally Hedmarken september 1996. For this rally he borrowed a Toyota Celica GT4 (ST165) from his brother Henning, and famously he managed to roll heavily and damage the car extensively. Btw. well documented by an inboard camera in his car.
He and Henning formed a team for 1997 with identical Celica 4WDs (ST185), but lost out to Birger Gundersen (Ford Escort Cosworth) in the championship. In 1998 Petter and Henning "upgraded" to the Celica GT4 (ST205), and Petter won the championship. This is actually his first and only Norwegian Rally Championship title to date. The rest of the story is well known, as he joined Ford M-Sport as their 3rd driver in Sweden 1999.
Yeah, but 2003 Märtin was clearly the fastest driver but struggled with the reliability of new Focus. In my opinion Petter scored certainly a lucky championship title to himself. Also Seb was very-very close to him on points, only backed off by Citroen team at the Wales GB rally to secure manu title. I know that norwegians are very proud and nice people, but i have been argueing about sports with many norwegian before and honestly - you guys never admit that some non-norwegians could be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
But just by looking purely statistics, then Seb is in a class of his own. Most of all, he came to WRC as a tarmac specialist who got into grips with gravel in very short time. Petter has never managed to do that (never been good on tarmac, his only win came with the help of conditions and tyre strategy). Yes, Seb has been driving for only one very successful team and been there clear no. 1 driver with all the benefits. But nobody has dominated this sport like he has. Petter is just a good driver like Hirvonen, Märtin, Burns (too many to mention), but that's it.
Mr Loeb was gravel rally champion in France.....Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
But not very good in gravel compared to the old guys in WRCQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T