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6th June 2010, 21:45
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Rani

When PM Sharon was in power there was a long term where by a policy of restraint took effect. There was a long spell of time when palestinian terrorists would attack and Israel would do nothing. That policy did nothing to quell terrorism in this region and eventually died a natural death.

Hamas and Hizbuallah are both very religious organizations. This is a religious conflict to them much more than a conflict over land. Just like Al Qaeda attacked NY although they have no claim to the land of the US. As I've said before, judging those organizations' motives and rationale through western standards is simply wrong.

I urge you to read both organizations' charters. Both speak freely about the fact that they will not accept Israel, ever. They will not have peace with Israel, ever. They are willing to have a hudna, a ceasefire in order to regain strength and regroup but never peace. They state this themselves, you can't claim it's Israel delegitimizing them.

Furthermore, both organizations have evolved from militias to legitimate political movements in Gaza and Lebanon. As you know Hamas holds Gaza and was elected democratically, while Hizbuallah holds quite a few seats in Lebanese parliament. Radical, non comprimising, lets-kill-infidels islam is spreading here as it is all around the world.

This is exactly my point. Israel always fails to do everything it needs. It's great to not bomb Palestinians, BUT you've also got to allow them to rebuild AND take the wall down.
6th June 2010, 21:59
Rani

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Originally Posted by Daniel

This is exactly my point. Israel always fails to do everything it needs. It's great to not bomb Palestinians, BUT you've also got to allow them to rebuild AND take the wall down.

You're getting things mixed up. Gaza has no walls around it. The 'wall' is in the west bank which is ruled by Fatah, not Hamas. Their area has been fairly peaceful for the last few years, and they are prospering economically as a result. Their police force collaborates with the IDF and it's relatively quiet, especially compared to Gaza. The difference is that they are willing to compromise in order to coexist while Hamas isn't. By the way Hamas massacred members of Fatah in Gaza a few years ago. They slaughtered their palestinian brothers out of political disagreement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E...Hamas_conflict

Situation as it is, the palestinians living by the wall are prospering because they are willing to coexist while Gazans (no wall) are suffering because they elected a government hell-bent on the destruction of Israel.
6th June 2010, 22:08
Eki

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Originally Posted by Rani

You're getting things mixed up. Gaza has no walls around it. The 'wall' is in the west bank which is ruled by Fatah, not Hamas. Their area has been fairly peaceful for the last few years, and they are prospering economically as a result. Their police force collaborates with the IDF and it's relatively quiet, especially compared to Gaza. The difference is that they are willing to compromise in order to coexist while Hamas isn't. By the way Hamas massacred members of Fatah in Gaza a few years ago. They slaughtered their palestinian brothers out of political disagreement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E...Hamas_conflict

Situation as it is, the palestinians living by the wall are prospering because they are willing to coexist while Gazans (no wall) are suffering because they elected a government hell-bent on the destruction of Israel.

What I've heard is that Israelis are still planning to build new settlements in the West Bank but not in Gaza. In that respect, I think Gaza and Hamas have succeeded better.
6th June 2010, 22:59
Hondo

There's an amusing aspect to a South African-Australian, living in Wales, telling a Jew to go back to where be belongs.
6th June 2010, 23:17
Daniel

I haven't said that Rani should go anywhere..... Heck I even said that the Palestinians have to accept that Israel is there to stay...
7th June 2010, 05:43
Eki

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

There's an amusing aspect to a South African-Australian, living in Wales, telling a Jew to go back to where be belongs.

The difference is that Daniel is not trying to take over Wales and make it a new South-Africa of his own liking, **** the Welsh.
7th June 2010, 08:01
Hondo

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Originally Posted by Eki

The difference is that Daniel is not trying to take over Wales and make it a new South-Africa of his own liking, **** the Welsh.

Actually, he is. They just haven't caught on to him yet.
7th June 2010, 08:10
Daniel

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Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7

Actually, he is. They just haven't caught on to him yet.

:D
7th June 2010, 13:37
SOD

of course Israel refuses peace negotiations because they themselves refuse to pay the price for peace.
7th June 2010, 14:53
Rani

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Originally Posted by SOD

of course Israel refuses peace negotiations because they themselves refuse to pay the price for peace.

Peace with who are we talking about?
The palestinians?
Which ones, Hamas or Fatah?

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