Wrc Rally Argentina 2013

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Hehe @Ogier "I don't care about Loeb". Of course he does! If Loeb beats Ogier in total over those 4 events then Ogiers title will always have this "if" hanging above it. He might become world champion but he still wont be the best in the world. I bet it bugs him .... you can tell from his voice :)

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Dont forget Sweden. Ogier was able to beat Loeb quite heavily there.

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Hehe @Ogier "I don't care about Loeb". Of course he does! If Loeb beats Ogier in total over those 4 events then Ogiers title will always have this "if" hanging above it. He might become world champion but he still wont be the best in the world. I bet it bugs him .... you can tell from his voice :)

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It will bug him until the end of his days. Hundreds of times he will be asked about that "if". I also bet that Ogier, as 2013 WRC champion, won't end in Alsace trying to beat Loeb at home :) .

@Francis44, if Loeb finishes the rally in the same position, it's 2-1. And the advantage of Loeb is 2x bigger as Ogier had in Sweden...

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

@Francis44, if Loeb finishes the rally in the same position, it's 2-1. And the advantage of Loeb is 2x bigger as Ogier had in Sweden...

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Ofcourse, I expect a driver like Loeb with some many years of this championship to still have a little more to give than Ogier. What some of you fail to see is that Ogier is much better than Loeb was when they were at the same phase of their career :) .

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

@Francis44, if Loeb finishes the rally in the same position, it's 2-1. And the advantage of Loeb is 2x bigger as Ogier had in Sweden...

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and 4x at Monte

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Ofcourse, I expect a driver like Loeb with some many years of this championship to still have a little more to give than Ogier. What some of you fail to see is that Ogier is much better than Loeb was when they were at the same phase of their career :) .

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really? you compare Gronholm,Mc Rae,Sainz with Novikov,Neuville,Sordo,Latvala?

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Ofcourse, I expect a driver like Loeb with some many years of this championship to still have a little more to give than Ogier. What some of you fail to see is that Ogier is much better than Loeb was when they were at the same phase of their career :) .

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Really how's that? Loeb fought for the world title from his first full season only losing by 1 point. After that he was never beaten. I can't see Ogier has done better ... and I doubt he will come close to beat Loeb's records.

Don't get me worng, I really like Ogier, but some times he's a bit corky and lacks a bit of sportsmans behaviour. That's why I hope Loeb wins the 4-rally-cup amongst the two .... just because it will bug Ogier through his entire career ;)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

really? you compare Gronholm,Mc Rae,Sainz with Novikov,Neuville,Sordo,Latvala?

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No, I compare how easily Ogier was able to keep up and with Loeb in Finland and Sweden 2011 in the first full year of manufacteur team and how difficult it was for Loeb to be competitive in those same rally's back when we started.

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Really how's that? Loeb fought for the world title from his first full season only losing by 1 point. After that he was never beaten. I can't see Ogier has done better ... and I doubt he will come close to beat Loeb's records.

Don't get me worng, I really like Ogier, but some times he's a bit corky and lacks a bit of sportsmans behaviour. That's why I hope Loeb wins the 4-rally-cup amongst the two .... just because it will bug Ogier through his entire career http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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I understand Ogier can come out as arrogant sometimes. Still, Loeb was a bit back in the day aswell, I think maybe it's a french tradition ;) .

Guys, continue your Loeb vs Ogier battle in this thread please: http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/...n-loeb-vs.html

Leave this topic clean for the rally Argentina 2013

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Originally Posted by Francis44

Ofcourse, I expect a driver like Loeb with some many years of this championship to still have a little more to give than Ogier. What some of you fail to see is that Ogier is much better than Loeb was when they were at the same phase of their career :) .

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Ogier is in his 4th full WRC season (or 5th if you count last year). Loeb won the championship in his 2nd full season, and probably lost it on his 1st attempt due to the well-known team orders in Rally GB 2003...