New car news!!

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

In an attempt to beat the competition, year after year they were required to GO FASTER!!! So yes, in the eternal quest for speed, you should see cars continuously breaking records, maybe not year after year, but much more frequently than what we now see.

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And where does that end? Does it end when we reach a specific speed, does it end when the cars are unsafe? Does it end when the cars are too fast for particular tracks? What is the end game? (Note I am avoiding the hyperbole of asking if we have to wait till someone is killed. But in reality THAT is the REAL elephant in the room.)

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

You are simply hung up on the thought that we want to hear a bloody track announcer on a speaker announcing a new record.

I could give a rats arse about "hearing" of any new track record. I care about what a track record represents, which is as you put it the eternal quest for speed, in an effort to try and WIN! That concept seems entirely lost on you though.

Is it lost on you Gary? Do you not get that? Do you not understand? Has the point not been put across well enough or are you purposefully avoiding the point of the argument.

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No it is not lost on me at all. I just think it's a ridiculous notion, plain and simple as that. I've never avoided the argument at all. I have said I think its STUPID. I think chasing track records or what they represent is STUPID. Is that lost on you? Track records (or what they represent, are not required to win Championships. I take note of the fact that you and Ken offered no further explanation when I said a few days ago that the reason "why did Penske waste all his time and resources year after year developing new chassis'? Why did Lola? Why did March? Why did Swift? Why did Reynard?" was to win championships and not to set track records or to even go faster than they did the year before.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Otherwise, like Ken said, why not just race Indy Lights and kill off Indy Car? Can you answer that? No, I don't think you can....I don't think you will, and I don't think you have the nads to address that point.

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What a specious argument. It doesn't take "nads" to dismiss it as a silly attempt to divert the conversation, but I'll indulge your little game. There is a very valid reason for Indy Lights to be separate and distinct from the main series, namely to provide a training and proving ground for up and coming racers. But you already knew that.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

If it's the latter, honestly I don't have any real issue. If it's the former, in my mind it's a fool's errand. YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

What was it you said.....oh ya......according to YOU!

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Which part of "in my mind" didn't you understand? I never said it was anything other than my opinion, unlike some other folks here who seem to think THEY are the only ones who might be correct.

Gary

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I was listening to Allan McNish talking about Le Mans recently, and he made the point that while it was disappointing as a driver when speeds were reduced,

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That addresses everything right there!!!

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

That addresses everything right there!!!

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What says rather more is your utterly, blatantly, selective quoting.

And for whose benefit is a racing series staged?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

'This series desperatly needs the headlines right now'. What other interpretation is there to those words?

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That it needs some positive free press!!!

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What says rather more is your utterly, blatantly, selective quoting.

And for whose benefit is a racing series staged?

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Don't blame me if you can't argue.

Alan McNish, a world class championship driver, he himself is disappointed when cars are slowed.

Imagine how the fans must feel.

But nah, you are right, slowing them down is an exciting, awe inspiring, imagination catcher.

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

That it needs some positive free press!!!

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In my book, quick attempts at headline-grabbing generally equate to 'dumbing-down'.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I find this obsession with speed and records baffling. Why does it matter? The racing is what counts, surely? I was listening to Allan McNish talking about Le Mans recently, and he made the point that while it was disappointing as a driver when speeds were reduced

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

That addresses everything right there!!!

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Now isn't that just special, terminating the quote to make it appear as if the statement supported your view, when in reality if the entire quote (provided below) is read, it does no such thing. Priceless.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I find this obsession with speed and records baffling. Why does it matter? The racing is what counts, surely? I was listening to Allan McNish talking about Le Mans recently, and he made the point that while it was disappointing as a driver when speeds were reduced, he recognised that they simply could not go on rising exponentially for the simple reason that there is a point beyond which those speeds become unsafe. If only all held such enlightened attitudes.

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Gary

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Originally Posted by Loneranger

Don't blame me if you can't argue.

Alan McNish, a world class championship driver, he himself is disappointed when cars are slowed.

Imagine how the fans must feel.

But nah, you are right, slowing them down is an exciting, awe inspiring, imagination catcher.

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'The fans'? You speak of them as though they are all united in one point of view. Quite arrogant.

Like I said, there is a certain shallowness coming through here in the view that outright speed is everything. Yes, it is impressive, but, as Allan McNish went on to say if you can bring yourself to read the rest of what I posted, continued increases are also unsustainable in safety terms. This is the more important point, one that you and others seem desperate to ignore.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Perhaps not, because I enjoy motor racing for the racing, not, in themselves, the speeds. Increasing speed is not, I have to tell you, the only measure of progress.

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If the drivers have gotten all so good driving at the current speeds, then you would have to agree the racing sucks! Qualifying times for arguments sake are identical. IDENTICAL. The racers are so freaking identical that Indy Car needed to mandate a new rule FORCING drivers to leave the inside lane wide open because the drivers are driving all so identically that it is impossible to pass conventionally.

So if you love the "racing" so much, the only way to get back to that is increasing the speeds and pushing the boundaries. The only way to know if those boundaries are being pushed is to measure those times against previous ones and if you aren't going faster then obviously you aren't pushing those boundaries!!!