The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by henners88

Ps If I have an IQ of 5 or less, then I've done bloody well for myself... ;)

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Well, you are certainly good at talking yourself up! :p :

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Massa was "performance #1 driver" at Ferrari over LAST season, this season they were pretty evenly matched with Kimi outqualifying Massa more often than not and Massa having an upper hand in some of the races due to pace, some due strategy. Check the statistics.

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Let's see, before Felipe was taken out by a rogue spring at Hungaroring, the points standings was: Felipe 22 to Kimi's 10!

Maybe in Finland that means evenly matched, but this side of the polar circle it means outperformed by a mile. :D

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Teams generally take to the driver who shows the most commitment and provides the most/best feedback to the team. This is where Schumacher was so good at Ferrari and where Massa is maybe getting one over his teamate. We all know Kimi has a fairly low work ethic and prefers to pitch up and drive before heading home to put on a gorilla suit and have a few drinks. Thats his nature and he aint gonna change.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I think the correct term should be that Massa is the "performance #1 driver" at Ferrari over the last two seasons up to his crash at the last race. Kimi's huge salary clearly indicates who Ferrari thought the #1 driver should be. The last two seasons have proved the opposite with the Brazilian outperforming his Finnish counterpart.

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Driver salaries haven't got much to do with it, if Ferrari were really interested in making a lead driver out of Kimi, they could have made him the no.1 driver after he won the championship, even last year he was still leading the championship until halfway through the year. It is actually difficult say what their expectations of Kimi were if you look at their actions.

The salaries doesn't really say much, Marlboro pays the salaries not Ferrari. The difference between salaries also isn't as big as some people believe, last year Kimi's salary from Ferrari was 18 million and Felipe's salary was 13 million. The bulk of Kimi's salary is personal sponsorship. We also dont know the full criteria of their salaries and contracts. It is also properly related to marketing, in last years FIA/ING survey Kimi was still voted the second favorite driver after Lewis eventhough he had a bad year.

As far as development goes, this year has been quite interesting with the open radio radio transmissions. Interestingly enough Felipe hasn't given any feedback so far, we mostly just hear Rob Smedley giving him feedback and instructions. In fact Jamie Alguersuari has given more feedback in free practice, then Felipe has done the whole year. I dont have problem with that, Felipe have obviously found a system that works perfectly for him, and he should of course stick with it. But I just find it very difficult to believe that he is doing the "development" within the team, from what I have heard so far this year, I am sure Schumi's radio conversations will be quite interesting. That being said development and feedback are also highly overrated these days, when the teams dont even require any testing during the the year.

Some people think the situation with Kimi, Ferrari and Felipe are very complicated, personally I just think that Kimi doesn't fit in Ferrari.

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Originally Posted by Boudica

Driver salaries haven't got much to do with it, if Ferrari were really interested in making a lead driver out of Kimi, they could have made him the no.1 driver after he won the championship, even last year he was still leading the championship until halfway through the year. It is actually difficult say what their expectations of Kimi were if you look at their actions.

The salaries doesn't really say much, Marlboro pays the salaries not Ferrari. The difference between salaries also isn't as big as some people believe, last year Kimi's salary from Ferrari was 18 million and Felipe's salary was 13 million. The bulk of Kimi's salary is personal sponsorship. We also dont know the full criteria of their salaries and contracts. It is also properly related to marketing, in last years FIA/ING survey Kimi was still voted the second favorite driver after Lewis eventhough he had a bad year.

As far as development goes, this year has been quite interesting with the open radio radio transmissions. Interestingly enough Felipe hasn't given any feedback so far, we mostly just hear Rob Smedley giving him feedback and instructions. In fact Jamie Alguersuari has given more feedback in free practice, then Felipe has done the whole year. I dont have problem with that, Felipe have obviously found a system that works perfectly for him, and he should of course stick with it. But I just find it very difficult to believe that he is doing the "development" within the team, from what I have heard so far this year, I am sure Schumi's radio conversations will be quite interesting. That being said development and feedback are also highly overrated these days, when the teams dont even require any testing during the the year.

Some people think the situation with Kimi, Ferrari and Felipe are very complicated, personally I just think that Kimi doesn't fit in Ferrari.

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I disagree. Kimi was hired by Ferrari to replace an ageing Schumacher and they hoped he would carry on Schumachers legacy as a dominat driver in F1 for Team Ferrari. As it turns out, in 2007 Kimi did a good job and delivered the goods, only to let Massa surpass him in 2008 and 2009.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Massa was "performance #1 driver" at Ferrari over LAST season, this season they were pretty evenly matched with Kimi outqualifying Massa more often than not and Massa having an upper hand in some of the races due to pace, some due strategy. Check the statistics.

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Wrong! The only statistic that counts is how many points you have, and Massa had more than double Kimi's tally up to his crash. Who cares if you qualify on pole then get say 2 points :?: Points win WDC's & CC's which is what teams and drivers aim for. There are no points for qualifying besides a Noddy badge to put on your wall at home.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Let's see, before Felipe was taken out by a rogue spring at Hungaroring, the points standings was: Felipe 22 to Kimi's 10!

Maybe in Finland that means evenly matched, but this side of the polar circle it means outperformed by a mile. :D

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Kimi had more reliability problems. How was the qualifying? You seem to consider yourself as an F1 expert and you know that no matter what the points tally is, qualifying is also taken into account. And lets be honest, Kimi is the only Ferrari driver to be on the podium this year on merit (Monaco), not helped by moving chicane Heikki. Nobody cares about fourth places except you when your poster boy gets them. However, I do hope Felipe gets back and Kimi stays at the team so this comparison can continue. Talking about polar circle, your countrymen have definitely found it as well.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

He didn't have that kind of situation at Mclaren.

"We were racing Alonso" was, I believe, the quote of the team boss.

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An almost rookie Finnish driver was given a fair opportunity against a British driver at Mclaren, I tend to think that a world champion would get at least the same treatment. But obviously you know everything better.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Wrong! The only statistic that counts is how many points you have, and Massa had more than double Kimi's tally up to his crash. Who cares if you qualify on pole then get say 2 points :?: Points win WDC's & CC's which is what teams and drivers aim for. There are no points for qualifying besides a Noddy badge to put on your wall at home.

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People do care about quali, in 92 Brundle often matched Schumi and even beat him in some of the races but he wasn't a great qualifier so nobody remembers that. Anyway, who cares, I'm off to sunshine.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Kimi had more reliability problems. How was the qualifying? You seem to consider yourself as an F1 expert and you know that no matter what the points tally is, qualifying is also taken into account. And lets be honest, Kimi is the only Ferrari driver to be on the podium this year on merit (Monaco), not helped by moving chicane Heikki. Nobody cares about fourth places except you when your poster boy gets them. However, I do hope Felipe gets back and Kimi stays at the team so this comparison can continue.

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Apparently you've got your head deep up Kimi's behind, so I'll let you drool over his qualifying performance. BTW qualifying isn't taken into account anywhere.

As for my poster boy, he was on the podium this season on merit and I bet he would have wiped the floor with your sleeping beauty if not for an unfortunate accident.

We all know you Finns are McLaren fans so I don't see why you continue to troll in this thread? Can't you air your frustrations somewhere else?

I like Kimi but I can't wait the day when he leaves F1 just because I won't have to read the sh!t his fanatics are spreading on this board. :\

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Talking about polar circle, your countrymen have definitely found it as well.

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Are you looking for a ban?!

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Anyway, who cares, I'm off to sunshine.

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Good for ya, try getting plenty of it, it might help with brightening up.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Saying all Fin's support Mclaren is quite frankly a generalisation made up as a childish dig to support a weak arguement IMO.. I don't hear the Fin's claiming all Romanian's prefer Trabant racing.. :p

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First of all Romanian's don't buy Trabant, so next time before you decide to launch in a childish dig try to get hold of some facts! :laugh:

Second, Finns are McLaren fans in a proportion of 99% because of Mika Hakkinen, Kimi Raikkonen and Heiki Kovalainnen's time spent with Mclaren and because McLaren did show an affinity for Finnish drivers.

Thrid, the Finns don't claim such things because even if they are lost in their love for their drivers, they are still smarter than you! :p :