this must be the wire rope that cause the roll of Munster
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this must be the wire rope that cause the roll of Munster
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Sébastien Ogier
@SebOgier
Flying back in good company!
Trophy
Thanks #excelljets for bringing me home quickly to celebrate @OfficialWRC
title number 7 with my family !!
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Ruben Perez
@RubnPerez
Sometimes champions also need their moments of solitude, of time for themselves.
This is Sébastien Ogier today after the #ACIRallyMonza awards ceremony.
Surely ordering your mind, assimilating this new title that is going to your showcases. #WRC
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WRC, Thierry Neuville's 2020 report: "We lacked consistency ..."
"It's hard to say if the strongest won this year. It's still Ogier who deserved the title, especially after the race this weekend. We all had problems, techniques or mistakes. on our part, during the season. Evans just made a mistake this Saturday, it upset the final classification. On the team side, Hyundai has achieved a lot of podiums in the last races, often with two cars. We were strong I think . I note that we also encountered the greatest number of problems with losses of points. Personally, it was a particular season. There were ups and downs, clearly. We were prevented from bringing back the victory in Turkey and Sardinia, with electronic problems in particular. These are precious points that we miss. This weekend, I did not ensure, I did not do the work. We also had an engine problem , preventing us from leaving. The main objective, the constructors' title, was fulfilled thanks to the a collaboration with the other crews ", specified the Belgian at our microphone at the end of the round at Monza.
And what does our compatriot respond to those who say he will never be world champion? "Everyone has their own judgment. I have been in the WRC for many years, I know that we give our best every time. We are here because rallying has always been a passion for me. I continue to do what I can to be champion. We know that the constructors' title is becoming more and more important for the teams because it is what allows them to prolong their commitment in the discipline. This year, it is true that we lacked consistency , in particular because of the worries and the deviation of trajectory in Estonia. I assume my responsibility this weekend even if the final abandonment is not related to the touch with the concrete block. These are circumstances of racing. Rallying remains an extreme sport, but despite everything I enjoy myself behind the wheel of my car. The team is happy with our services, that's the main thing, "he explains.
Not really time to think about it or think about this season for very long. In three days, Neuville will already carry out tests for the Monte-Carlo 2021, which will be held in six weeks. Preparations at the factory and upstream to prepare for the new season, a new opportunity for the Belgian to make his dream come true.
https://www.rtbf.be/sport/moteurs/ra...te?id=10647525
It clearly reflects different approach. Hyundai with Adamo will do everything possible to win, everything. (buy Tanak, rotate drivers, kick drivers every 6 months...).
VW also had a "full commitment" approach though not nearly on the Hyundai level.
Toyota (= Makinen) has more "gentlemens" approach of how it is usually done. "All drivers do full season" (when asked 2 years back) and again reflected this year in Sweden when they let Kalle take points off Ogier.
In long term Hyundai should be more successful.
I definitely recommend everyone to watch SS11 onboard, that stage was totally worthy deciding a world champion.
What a timing for the precipitation to turn into snow! And relatively small section with lots of snow, so I don't blame MSport that much for not getting it to Lappi.
Katsuka has obviously no one ahead of him on the stage so there was some snow, but by Tanak it was like medium-bad. Ogier seems to have by far the worst conditions with slush turning white basically everywhere. After Tidemand it clears a lot and starts to melt (hence top times by late RC2s and even RC4s.)
About that crash location:
Tanak has epic reaction to the surface change, seemingly pushing hard right until two corners before and then he slows down a lot. (maybe had surface chance in notes?, note that Evans didn't crash there yet so he didn't get warning from that)
Evans has "new tar" 2 corners before and 2x shiny while he approaches, yet picks the line on the left (in snow) rather than staying on the cleaned inside. Quite clear mistake tbh.
Ogier is warned so he stays inside, hard to say how it would have ended. However, his drive on rest of the stage is truly worthy of champion.
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Østberg coming to that area is like entering a warzone, first he sees Evans down, then next corner crash-marks on right from Formaux who is parked around the corner. Then further 100m on Tidemands marks into the hill and two corners later prbly Lappis sliding marks.
This year they lost by 5 points, that's all down to random luck really. Last year they lost by 18 points. That comes already from the broken rims in Monte and Corsica...
Hyundai's driver rotation is good for securing starting positions on gravel rallies. Drivers get long breaks but everyone got them this year.
Finally, you can't help noticing how good Dani Sordo has been the two last seasons. All Top 5 results (well, 6th in Argentina 2019) when the car doesn't fail him.
I see it slightly differently, in hindsight, Hyundai smartly used their available drivers to get good road order and driver-rally affinity. This was a quite common practice in the WRC and except for the recent period, specialist drivers were normal.
In the long term Toyota is investing in their drivers. And maybe in the long term it will be better to have the complete drivers who will usually beat the specialists. In the Loeb/Ogier era we didn't see many specialists because the regular drivers were so good everywhere. There are very few specialists nowadays that can beat the main drivers even with road position advantage and it doesn't happen always. I think Hyundai pushed to the max and got a bit lucky with their 3rd driver performances, I'm thinking of Sordo especially made max use of his road position in this short year.
Possibly next year it could work as well since there are not so many rallies and there is a long run of gravel rallies in the middle of the year. What if Hyundai brings 3 or 4 drivers in the 3rd car and rotates them for the gravel season so that they always have road order advantage?
i see it with different view.
It wasnt luck.It was just Adamos way of managing clever the tools he had.
He hadnt the best car,he hadnt the best drivers,but he won 2 years.
Hats off to him.
The strange (and unforgivable for me) is that Makinen didnt do the same, when he saw how he lost the previous yearwith the same Adamos tactic.
Not the best drivers? At the start of 2020 it seemed Hyundai would have no competition because they had two of the three title contenders of the past three years. We didn't know how good Evans would be on the Toyota. And in 2019 they had god damn Loeb in the team (who had just won Catalunya in 2018). Besides, the driver rotation was already used in 2018 before Adamo was leading the team (and the same ever rotating line up with Mikkelsen added at the end of 2017)
You can also think what a lucky strike it was for Toyota that Citroen decided to quit (or that Ogier decided to go to Toyota). It would have been a different year now...Neuville+Tänak vs Evans+Latvala?
And indeed to underscore the point, this year Sordo's Sardinia performance along with Evans crash in Monza made the difference for Hyundai, it was only 5 points after all. They played their cards and got a bit lucky I say.
But if you look at the history many times the champion manufacturer had such strategies, for example Peugeot in the early 2000s or Subaru vs Mitsubishi in the late 90s. On the other hand Citroen with Loeb plus Sordo or Hirvonen and then VW with Ogier and Latvala/Mikkelsen didn't care about specialists as their drivers were best anyway.
Guys consider that it was a short year, in this case exceptions like Sordo's win in Sardinia weight more.
In Loeb era you didn't see specialists mostly because you could only enter 2 cars that could score points, not 2 out of 3, this was also true for first few years with Ogier/VW if you recall.
I don't think there is a shortage of specialists, Østberg in Citroen 2018 was pretty much working as a specialist and it worked on fast gravel, Breen is essentially a specialist at this point too (based on his run at Citroen in 2017-18).
Mikkelsen's video blog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GmADNrQmhk
- he took 4 wet, 2 snow on Saturday morning, broke the gear on SS7 as reported and then put on crossed tires for SS10 unlike Solberg and Østberg (you can see that from outside vids too)
- doesn't say anything about tires for afternoon or about the whole snow situation, so I guess he didn't have 4 snow, but probably had 2 else he wouldn't post SS11 time like that. I haven't seen anywhere what Solberg had if it was 2 or 4 snow.
Fun bits:
- Marcus Gronholm advising in Swedish before final stage "drive in the middle of the road"
- O. Solbergs WRC3 podium plan: "Spray the Finns (Huttunen/Lukka) with champange!"
hahahaha
Evans 10/10
Neuville 3/10
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/colin...river-ratings/
Just finished reading it
What a joke of a ratings
The guy has been smoking some good shit lately.
really?
Where was long-term team leader Thierry Neuville? Out of the rally after needlessly clipping a chicane and then drowning his engine as a result of the reduced speed he had to go at.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-...0-monza-rally/
Well I found the ratings of all Toyota drivers except Ogier kinda funny.
Rovanpera 8/10 for basically just finishing the rally as last WRC and being faster than Veiby/Greensmith? 5-6 max imo.
Katsuta 8/10 for crashing out on first stage after a double-error? Again around 6 max.
Similarly Veiby gets 4/10 for never being ahead of a Rally2 car trough 7 stages before making two mistakes?
And again there is the issue where he gives ratings to drivers that have the var fail on them after one stage (Suninen in this case, Lappi in Sardinia).
I've said it for ages.. Colin Clarke just doesn't know what he's talking about.
You're right, I forgot about that, indeed the 2 car rule contributed a lot to limiting specialists over time. On the other hand when that rule came in there were very few teams were rotating drivers. So I think it's a mix of that rule and "complete" drivers that were faster than event specialists even with road order advantage. Which specialist could beat Gronholm/Hirvonen/Latvala in their prime and they struggled against Loeb... so hard to find any realistic contenders at that point. And not to mention on tarmac, Citroen at one point had the 2 best tarmac drivers as their full time drivers.
In any case nowadays it seems there is a wider spread of talent and some drivers who benefit from road order can make the difference. Sordo for example has always missed the last few % of speed and consistency but if he gets good road order and a bit of luck it pushes the balance in his favour.
If we look at who does not have a contract next year you could probably make a nice 3rd car mix of 3-4 drivers that would benefit from road order advantage and fit certain rallies. Thinking of Sordo, Breen, Lappi, Mikkelsen, Paddon. Say you put Sordo on Monte, Croatia, Sardinia, Spain and Japan, then Breen in Sweden, Estonia, GB, then Lappi in Portugal and Finland, and Mikkelsen or Paddon in Kenya and Chile you have a good mix and are playing the road order game to the max. Obviously just pulled this out of you know where but it's interesting that it could be done.
yeah, I think Colin is a great reported but a shitty analyst. He gave Evans a 10 essentially because he's a nice guy and he felt sorry for him and thrashed Thierry for making mistakes. Here's what he said about Thierry by i replace Thierry with Elfyn:
3/10 ... just saying ...Quote:
Elfyn had a job to do this week and he failed to do it. His mistake early on in the event put massive pressure on his team-mates to bring home the result that ultimately delivered the manufacturers title to Hyundai. There will be no one more disappointed than Elfyn I’m sure but there won’t be room for too many more mistakes like this one in the future. Evans will be a title challenger in 2021 again for sure, but the competition is very much hotting up.
Then he gave Sunninen a 4 because his engine failed after 1 stage...
As a side note about Evans i'm a bit bothered about the british bias of the commentators, often i've switched to no commentary (thank god for that option). If i'm honest they keep putting Evans in the same group as Ogier, Tanak and Neuville but I disagree. All his wins and even this title challenge have come under exceptional circumstances. If he had won he had deserved it, he got the points fair and square but i think he's more of a dark horse that is close enough to pick up the pieces when the others hit trouble. just my 2c
100% agree. I gave him 'another chance' and watched his Rally Finland testing report (I mean - does he realise hoy lucky he is to get flown over to watch a bloody test?!) and he just talked about a band he could hear all night from his balcony.
He's a complete fraud.
Just a follow-up on this Colin Clark topic.
https://twitter.com/DirtFishRally/st...646463502?s=19
He actually believes giving some biased ratings is really justified. Not gonna read his crap again
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You know after end of 2017 season, C. Clark went public saying that Evans will fight for title in 2018 no matter what car he drives.
What followed was probably Evans worst season, completely outclassed by Ogier in same car with one single good performance in Catalunya. There was wide speculation here and elsewhere that he won't start 2019 season with MSport, but he did (probably due to lack of better alternatives at the time).
As people would remember in 2019 Evans did two very good rallies (Corsica and GB) and got a Toyota seat for this year.
Outtakes
- C. Clark is not objective when it comes to UK drivers (interestingly he was actually quite objective when talking about Meeke, but for some reason Evans, Greensmith and Breen are different (in about that order))
- Tiny margins can mean success or disappearance (what if MSport dropped Evans for 2019?)