Now we just need to find proper partners for Citroen and M-Sport to have 3 cars each. And then of course some surprisingly spectacular driver line-up, e.g. M-Sport could have the third car with rotation for Block, Galli and Luky ;)
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Now we just need to find proper partners for Citroen and M-Sport to have 3 cars each. And then of course some surprisingly spectacular driver line-up, e.g. M-Sport could have the third car with rotation for Block, Galli and Luky ;)
These were OK yes, but not so sure...he was helped quite a bit with the conditions-starting position in Sweden (and not being on the podium at his home event would have been a disaster, tbh), others had issues in Mexico. Some of the strongest results of the year though....then again he was te slowest on tarmac.
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I like this picture - just saying.
#longestsillyseasonever
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But hey, remember, David Evans, Colin Clark and other Brit journos always get it wrong!
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Petter in a polo R5 than next year?
Would be a very good addition for WRC2pro
Daniel Barrit will co-drive for Takamoto Katsuta. This means a co-driver change for Elfyn Evans.
They will also drive Yaris WRC in two Finnish national championship events (with no points to be scored)
http://www.rallism.fi/content/en/1/3...mpionship.html
Scott Martin for Evans then?
Nagle?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
https://www.facebook.com/PontusTidem...02135849801150
Pontus Tidemand splits with EVEN Management and Jonas Andersson
Or no drive unless he has been confirmed and i missed it
And OC Veiby in polo R5 with Pontus' old codriver.
Johan with OC's old codriver in his "rallycampaign" in polo R5?
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Of course father prefer helping son, no matter else results and driving abilities says.
PT I´d say is out from all top rallying, unless he´s finding a big swedish sponsor...
Pontus couldn't wait to release the plans for 2019, maybe a big sponsor, and pay for a seat in M-sport?
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Menar du att han är otålig och har annat på gång? Is that what you´re saying? Or speculations?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
I really hope so in case of the latter.
Any chance of Tidemand being represented by Joukhi? It’d probably raise his WRC hopes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think if Joukhi believed in him, he would have stepped in sooner. ;) With current situations, I think Tidemand can go to the "waiting room" behind Paddon and Breen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
So maybe after all, Grönholm in a Yaris.:rolleyes:Quote:
The collection of WRC2 championship points will start from Sweden, where Katsuta took his remarkable win last year.
Right choice from Tidemand, should have done this years ago.
His hopes of getting to a WRC car yes. His hopes of getting paid to driver WRC car might not increase much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
But it is quite likely due to Veiby not wanting to buy him in.
On the other hand Østberg's fate right now is a very good indicator of what can happen to paying drivers that are not top 3 in speed.
Tough luck. Nobody gets to the highest level without own money/sponsorship.
Struggling to remember when Loeb or Ogier had to use own money /sponsors that they found money to drive. A very recent example is Lappi, don't recall him paying for seat for any longer period either.
Ogier was helped by FFSA, PSA was also in his career quite early. Not sure what was the case with Loeb, although he also had "private" starts before. Lappi happened to be Finnish in a new Finnish team, young WRC2 champ...just another exception.
E: First start with a WRC car, in WRC for Loeb: Rally Tour de Corse 2000 - Rallye de France WRC
Toyota Corolla WRC
K-AM 608 Equipe de France FFSA
First WRC Start 1999: Rallye Catalunya - Costa Brava - Rallye de España
WRC
Citroën Saxo Kit Car
8116 MT 52 Equipe de France FFSA
First start in WRC for Ogier: Corona Rally Mexico 2008 JWRC
Citroën C2 S1600
7214 NE 52 Equipe de France FFSA
No-one does it for free, that's for sure. The FFSA program was/is just like a sponsorship deal would be, at the end of the day someone is paying. It doesn't change the fundamentals of the game even though the funding is coming from a federation.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
And the same goes for Lappi. I doubt that the Fiesta S2000, in which he burst onto the scene in 2012, was given him just like that by Printsport.
Not exactly "longer period". When did Neuville pay? (must be before 207 time)
Etc, etc. list of "nobodies" is getting long.
The practice of buying yourself a WRC "factory" seat is cancer Joukhi brough to WRC with Hirvonen at Subaru in 2004 and Wilson was more than happy to embrace since then.
Lappi / EVEN paid everything until Skoda and if I recall correctly Veiby/even jumped in to fund his S2000 drives. after that EP has been pure profit so they hit kind of a gold mine with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Off course it's not like a driver comes from nowhere and gets paid. But historically arranging your own drive was only needed on low levels before they proved themselfs. At WRC factory seat level it is only a fashion last 14 years and still it doesn't count for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Before Skoda means 3rd or 2nd level at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Come on now, do your homework. "Buying a seat" has been part of the game basically as long as the sport has existed in its modern form. Jouhki, not Joukhi, wasn't the one inventing it. And actually Jouhki's clients have also been victims of this same procedure; in 2001, if I recall it right, the third Focus was already promised for Gardemeister, but then came Delecour with money from Ford France and rest is history.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So many drivers and only a few seats, no team is going hire drivers who haven't proven themselves. It's pretty impossible to find factory backing from junior days onwards so own/sponsor/manager backing is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Sorry to say it, but 1) that statement is totally incorrect, and 2) you're messing up things about "buying a seat" and funding one with a sponsorship deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Hey, you got it right buddy!!Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/dece...5--12-12-.html
As long as i can remember, there have been privateers, private teams, dealership teams using, specialist drivers etc etc. Times have changed, but money hasn`t.
Also from https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/dece...5--12-12-.html :
"it seems increasingly likely that Swede Pontus Tidemand will join the British squad for 2019."
Man co-drivers' silly season is even more ''silly'' than of the drivers.
How do you get that from Barritt to co-drive for Katsuta?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
It was rumored that Katsuta would have done Sweden in a Yaris, effectively taking the possible fourth car seat from Grönholm. Now this hypotethical fourth car is again free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Neuville had big support from Serderidis, this was mentioned when Bergkvist became JWRC champion with Serderidis paying for his season.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Bullshit. When Serderidis discovered rallying and did his very first events, Neuville was already driving a world rally car. (Besides that the company of Serderidis (ARHS) was much smaller than it is today.) Neuville was supported by the RACB in the beginning,with some other small sponsors he drove another year in a C2 R2 Max. After that he was supported by Peugeot BeLux, to do the IRC, while still receiving huge support from RACB. After that he went to Citroën to WRC. The main sponsors that got Neuville into the WRC are RedBull and Qatar, I think. I don't think Neuville or his family/relatives ever paid huge money for anything. He got where he is thanks to his talent, work, and thanks to very good relationship towards sponsors, fans and media in his early years.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnb
I readed somewhere that Neuville was paying Nasser Al-Attiyah "help". So i guess it was Nasser who helped Thierry.
neuville was kinda the protegee of al attiyah in the early days of his wrc carreer.
i don't remember the exact details, but either neuville followed nasser to ford in 2013, or nasser has followed neuville.
in any case, back then it was nasser and quatar who supported neuville, and probably payed for his drive at ford.
i would say that there are not enough good drivers to fill in all the seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
how many drivers would you say have a realistic chance of winning the world title next year? three?