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Originally Posted by BigWorm
wow, thanks...thats some long time ago!
Corsica yes... To a degree, given that the chassis are equal. If they aren't, the one who can carry more speed through the corners win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Since everyone is down on power in Mexico the power gaps would be smaller as well (given that they have mapped the engines well... But since they all PET I'm sure they would).
Argentina is also run relatively high up, but Argentina is a better event, I'll give you that.
We should have clearer image by Portugal of who is where.
...One thing is for sure, Toyota is a lot faster than this forum anticipated and I was absolutely right in not guestimating their performance until we saw them in anger...
Things are looking bleak however for my favorite Citroen team, but I hope I'm wrong in that respect.
M-Sport has already collected 40% of last year points, Malcolm should be happy
Quite incredible to say the leastQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Because its an unprofessional team in the way the do things, from head to bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
we have a whole year to find out who is right and who is wrong.
Great pictures! Congrats to JM and the whole team. Really happy for them. And Tommi, especially.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yes, they really seem to be. A new team and a new car and all they've manage to do so far is a lame 2nd place in MC and a victory in Sweden. Truly unprofessional way of doing things.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
As I have mentioned in my first thread, I am new to this sport due to Toyota's involvement. This is a dream result. Fabulous day!
Gold digger ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revman
Some notes from this rally:
Hyundai: Seems that they are affected by prvevious Fiesta R5 disease - powersteering problems. Powersteering broke in Monte for Sordo and here for Paddon. Bearing in mind the fact that 3rd car nearly didnt drive in Monte, then having two failiures in 5 cars is not a good sign.
Neuville: Concrete boy ;) I remember, when he was still in Ford, I think it was in Portugal, he had very similar retirement, cut too much, inside wheel was exposed to tree ..and bang!
Jari and Ott fight: Seems that Jari likes sliding a lot while Ott has learned to be more precise during DMack year. If you look more closely, largest timelosses for Jari came when they were at the end of loop and he complained about loss of grip/studs. As Likenäs stage was on full ice, no problem with sliding with studs.
As for Ott, his voice sounded a bit rough today, I am not sure, but seems that he has got some cold, that might affect your concentration and speed a little.
Podium, It was nice to hear Estonian national anthem (it is basically the same as Finnish;).
Ford electronics: it seems that these problems must be related to their high tempo on producing new cars. They were the first to bring 4 cars to Sweden!
Car development: I was just wondering that how much advantage can Ford get for having 4 cars at the start of the rally. That means two times more information than Toyota or Citroen can get. How crucial it can be, when setting up car and adding new developments!?
I am a newbie, so ignore me instead of flaming me. What impressed the hell out of me was that Jari-Matti needed to manage the 3.8 second lead. He buried Ott after 16. Reminded him that he was done in 17. And put an exclamation mark on in it 18. Epic.
My video from an awesome Rally Sweden :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Onyg-rEWHI
Tänak saying in estonian media that he realized in the first few km's already that the car isnt working like he wants and accepted that he cant fight with Jari. He says Latvala was too fast anyway today.
Estonian broadcast commentator said that Latvala has said many times this weekend that the Yaris is even better than Polo on snow, weight distribution is very good...can anyone confirm this because i havent seen something said it about here?
Well done, Toyota & JML..:D
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Hey, was only being ironic. I think we are all surprised of what Toyota has achieved. It's always fun when newcomers do well instead of rotting away like Suzuki.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revman
This was as satisfying a motorsport result as I have ever known. What a fabulous sport!
What actually happened to Suzuki? Was the car the issue or was the lineup the issue?
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Fantastic rally.
Hyvä Latvala and TGR !
It was "whole project issue". Japanese and brittish groups of the team were not cooperating perfectly during the development (and also later). This project was killed during development and was doing that one rally season only because they needed (as it was rule and there should be big penalty not doing it).Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Fantastic day for the WRC: it’s great to see Toyota, a manu with such a strong rally past, wining again! Congrats to Mr. Toyoda for believing in Makinen’s private team. It’s amazing how well TGR/TMR staff worked, making a rally winner from scratch in so short time. Huge congrats also to Latvala and his codriver; who knows, maybe this new fresh start will finally be his ticket for WRC drivers title!
I will not write much, as it was written a lot.....congrats and deep respect for what Jari achived. I admit-I was also between the 90% of forum members, who completely ignored Toyota in the first part of the season. What a mistake.....
M-Sport drivers are doing great job.....
Neuville, well at least he knows he is at the moment a benchmark in the speed.
Citroën: still no light on the horizon. If Meeke will not show something extra in Mexico, they can start to prepare for the 2018.
perfect as always !!!! now remember that when you do your annual recap not to ruin those fantastic footage with those retarded drifting videos.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Do you usually follow the forum? During the last one and a half year the forum idiot (aka NOT) has been repeatedly bashing Toyota’s people. Since the partnership with TMR was announced the insults to Mr. Toyoda, Makinen and all the staff involved never cessed and (like some press members, btw) he spent months manipulating rally fans, trying to convince them TGR would be a flop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Yep, we live in a cynical world; it seems funnier and easier to mock others than praise them; hopefully this episode can have a positive effect and remind us that no one should be judged in advance.
what are your measuring factors?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Since you are so sure, you have probably done your homework. Could you share?
Assembling a team based on nationality and drivers based on manager connections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
If you study the results you will see that the win was a complete fluke.
We have a long season ahead, the fun just begins.
Wait, the fastest one to go over the finish ramp doesn't win?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
In all fairness, it's not only him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
We now have the armchair doubters coming to apologize one by one.
Hilarious.
Nice footage but all passes look the same. My head hurts after 2 minutes. This is well made video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DITKNRHUWCI absorbs the viewer into the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Also your zoom is so high I can't see anything around. Even the cars don't fit on the screen sometimes.
Subaru Norway with all the respect to your work,Slowson has a point here. Plenty of times cant recognise which driver is and I have to playback again and again the video trying to see the number at the car.With less zoom there is not such a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Except that, its better when you can watch the car, with plenty of space/road, and not only the car due to plenty of zoom.
Keep up the good work.
Yeah, what an asshole that Mäkinen - makes me sick just thinking that he hired Tom Fowler and Simon Carrier for being Brits! And what's even worse, one of his three drivers have the same manager he used to have himself when he was competing. That's almost unheard of!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Seriously... if retardness was something to compete in, you'd be unbeatable.
they are the same simpletons that will jump ship again once they realise how naked their todays king is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
OF course in rally sport the driver has the biggest influence on making the car look slow or fast. I am amazed how some of you worry that Citroen is weak because it does not win stages in these two rallies. Come the dry gravel Meeke will have a rally with good pace and LAtvala struggle with setup/feeling first two days, what will you say then? As Dimvi said, if Toyota #10 was in hands of Lappi, battling with Tidemand in best case scenario (worst case crash earlier than Juho) - would anyone have praised them as much as you do now?! But JML made his setup right, Tanak and Ogier could not, so goodbye go wait for the next jackpot :D Also imagine Ford with Ostberg and Camili again - two double podiums!?!? We would have been singing the same old song for poor private company, greedy Malcolm etc. Only thing that is certain now is that Hyundai is well refined for anything. Even if the points standings don't reveal it.
well done kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Jarmo Lethinen confirmed they did not sign Latvala because he was Finnish. Also, you act as if no other team does that.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The win was a prime example of rallying. One competitor made a mistake, and Latvala benefited. He wasn't gifted a win either: he had to fight for it and the pressure got to the guys behind.
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can you refresh my memory ? who has done something similar and so degenerate in the past ?Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
enjoy your naked king... the best times are ahead.
Fine, you win, I actually didn't think of one. My bad.
Edit: scratch that, Peugeot 2004. Rovanpera and Gronholm.