Ufff, the damage inside the car on the video looks really terrible.
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Ufff, the damage inside the car on the video looks really terrible.
Other link with photos:
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...IsfKCuva_Xy6ng
damn....wish him the best he was the best ambassador F1 had in our sport...hope his career is not affected and see him soon in Both tracks and special stages.
Oh s**t, bad news. Hope he will be OK. There’s nothing left of the interior.
Daniel Morelli, Robert’s manager, will be available for the press in front of the hospital emergency entrance at 16:30 CET (15:30 GMT).
http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b3979.htm i think this is poland tv live...
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=fi&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.sport.pl/F1/1,96398,9060482,Powazny_wypadek_Kubicy_w_rajdzie_R onde_di_Andora_.html&rurl=translate.google.fi&usg= ALkJrhg2-ZHCY_VmUR6HJXr8jVTbNcMN0A
He was the best thing that happened to rallying in the last 10 years , such a shame if it would end like this . Hopefully he will have a full recovery and continue to rule the F1 tracks !
According to his manager, they suceeded to stop all internal bleeding and he also comfirmed that they didn't amputate his hand. This sounds allready little bit better. Hopefully a speedy recovery for Robert.
This is hopefully the final situation ... Wish a speedy recovery for the Rally KingQuote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
According to press information surgeons continue surgery of Robert's right hand which is expected to be finished around 8 p.m. Daniel Morelli confirmed that they didn't need to amputate the hand but they couldn't say how much the functionality would be affected.
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/9062/z9062212X.jpg
I hope with Robert will be everything OK!
Another bulletin from Hospital will be released about 8:30/9:00 pm
guys any news about Roberts health?
form autosport forumQuote:
VERY IMPORTANT NEWS FROM LOCAL MEDIA
shortly after 21, after seven hours , complex surgery was concluded in Santa Corona di Pietra Ligure on the Formula One driver Robert Kubica, involved in a serious accident this morning at the rally "Ronde di Andora. " Just out of surgery, Professor Igor Rossello has commented on the action: "The patient reported two major injuries, but about the action performed by me, I can say that we managed to retrieve the limb. Now, what we can do is wait, the patient is hospitalized in intensive care, of course it cannot be excluded that in case of complications, new interventions might be needed .
While the chief surgeon of the hand of the San Paolo di Savona operated on the upper limb of Kubica, a second team took care of the leg, groped again to reform the severe trauma reported nell'icidente, occurred 12 hours now ago.
Robert Kubica will now be recovering at the hospital Santa Corona in the intensive care unit for at least five days. The prognosis, at least for the moment, is absolutely secure. To questions from reporters, addressed to Professor Rossello on the possible return to the track of Kubica, the specialist said: "It is not for me to make, but I can say that for the rehabilitation of the limb will take at least a year
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thanks piquet20.
i guess we must be happy that he survived and he will walk and use his hands again.....his career i think its over :( :( at least at top level.
Really sad to see a guy with so much love for our sport paying such a price :( :(
Look at this big horror..
http://www.gry-online.pl/Galeria/Forum/2/350348059.jpg
http://www.rallyemotion.it/news/534-...he-lha-operato
Doctor Igor Rossello, which surgered Robert Kubica, told Sky Sport 24 that, if all goes well, we'll see a F1-comeback in about 12 months!
Will we see a new Hermann Maier? :) I really hope so!!!!
Some reports say they had to wait an hour for cutting gear to be brought to the crash site, or was it that it took an hour to free him from the car?
do we know how the accident happened ? was it on raod section ?
1 hour waiting time i think its exaggeration, with his injuries it would certainly be fatal....so do not belive anything the vulture reporters say...
The accident happened on the first special stage, not on the roadsection. These Italian "Rally Rondes" use the same special stage driven four times.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Nothing confirmed but combining various sources the blueprints for the accident were the following: A mid-high-speed right hand corner 4,6 kilometres into the stage. The tarmac was just a little bit damp (there wasn't definately any standing water). The weather had been and was "normal", atleast what I checked from Capo Mele (very close to Andora) weather station's METAR history. Temperature was around 10 centigrades, no indication of rain, some broken or few clouds. Ofcourse the stage was a bit more into the mainland and it's mountaineous area.
Some say that in the beginning of the corner there's some tree roots that have penetrated the tarmac and caused little bumps and that Kubica would have lost the control because of those. Others say that the reason was simply too high speed entering the corner. I guess the most precise guess is to combine those two. Maybe a bit too high speed combined with an external factor. The guardrail's end had to be straight and not embedded to the ground. When the impact happened, the guardrail penetrated the car's firewall passing the engine from the left side and entered the cabin with the consequences we all know.
Clearly there has been some problems with the rescue efforts because Mauro Moreno, the driver who started after Kubica, told that competitors didn't stop to the accident site (don't they have SOS signs (which when shown order to stop) in Italy?!) Therefore, the message hasn't reached the organizers fast enough and possibly it had to be done with a telephone. Then adding the time which it took for the rescue equipment to reach the scene (most probably driven from the start). So it really took some time. The chopper came from Turin, some 75 kilometres away.
I tried to locate the corner from Google Maps Satellite for nearly an hour but I just couldn't find it, myriads of roads in that area...
Is this allowed? or is against the italian road laws? i find it quite disturbing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Thanx for the report.
i think it's some of these curves in Strada Provinciale Valmerula-road:Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
http://maps.google.fi/?ie=UTF8&ll=44...10986&t=h&z=17
Here is video from Moreno's car who was next on the road: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbxM...layer_embeddedQuote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I can't believe any other crew would have just drove away...
it was a fast section probably 4th-5th gear so the crews before them maybe didn't have the time to check.....but again when you don't see the drivers out of the car you stop no matter how bad the accident looks...
the place is full of guardrails....and especially at the start are at such height where they can easily penetrate through the windscreen....stupid positioning of them and stupid place for a special stage.
Maybe you can try to locate the church? The wall that was hit by Kubica's car was surrounding a local church. In Poland it is sad that the accident was caused (at least partially) by wet tarmac and a bumpy section at the beginning of the corner, that was caused by tree roots. Get well soon Robert!Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
From the onboard it looks that the guard rail went through the whole car! Looks horrible... Kubica in his bud luck is still lucky not to be hit directly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbxM...layer_embedded
Video from the rally, I hope that helps.
I think Mirek allready posted this video here a few posts ago, if you have a look at it you can notice that there are many rails and they are almost all not bended, i mean you can go straight on them, not bended to the ground or bended to side of the valley.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Other onboard camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79UsFc1exuM
Some news from Italy. Robert is now awake and breathes himself. He complains about severe pain in his hand and leg, which the doctors find as a good sign (because he can feel). He was visited by his family. He is aware of his bad condition, but doesn't remember the accident at all.
Apparently Fernando Alonso came to the hospital as well.
I think this could be a place of Robert's crash (the right corner on the middle of the view with small building on the inside and its shadow on the road):
http://maps.google.fi/?ie=UTF8&ll=44...10986&t=h&z=17
Latest news: http://translate.google.it/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8
Confirmed also from national TV news
I think you're right, there's also the second road below the main road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
The corner looks both from the satellite photo and the onboards of the next drivers very fast and short corner but it seems that it narrows a lot. If there was a gap between the two guardrails, it might have been a bit deceptive too.
According to translations Moreno says "Damn, I knew he would go off right here!" suggesting that it's a tricky corner, "a place" which local driver(s) were aware of.
I don't understand what is the problem with that stage, someone said that it should not have been driven.
Those rails are very common in Italy, and everywhere in the mountaneous roads around Europe. Some rails are safer and most are not. But I find it even more disturbing, driven rally roads in Catalunya, Gran Canaria, Portugal, all over Italy, Cyprus, Madeira, Greece, France that there are several sections without rails at all!
As a conclusion those roads should be banned, all of them. Then on the other hand, here in Finland all the fatalities caused by the trees, that cut the cars like guillotine. These roads shouldn't be used etiher. Let's ban the whole rallysport!
Kubica's accident is terrible. In Finland we had similar accident a few years back, when similar kind of a rail pierced a car totally. The rail pierced the car between driver's and co-driver's head and they were uninjured.
I'm happy that they survived back then and I'm happy that Robert and Jakub survived this time. Being alive after such a crash is only about good luck.
But rallying is, it has been and it will be one of the most dangerous sport in the world. We have to live with that as long as we survive in the twists and turns of the stages of life and rally!
+1
There are several more dangerous sports for sure. But shall we just settle down and be happy with things as they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sami
What can be done?
That is what we should think about. Some stages might be cancelled or exchanged to more safe ones, even in Finland. MAybe the cars are too fast? There is much to be done. The sport cannot afford fatalities in the long term.
This isn't just about rallying, those rails are dangerous no matter what. In the UK there is currently an ongoing scheme to change the ends of barriers like that so that they will neither pierce the car nor launch it into the air. From the video it looks like the barrier has gone through the right hand side of the car and straight out through the firewall and engine bay (like meat on a kebab stick). The fact that both co-driver and driver have emerged alive is extremely lucky, a few millimetres either side and we might not just be talking about the possible end of a career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sami
I think we all see that such barriers are dangerous but they are everywhere in Italy (and not only there). Those are dozens of thousands of kilometers. To change that is a huge deal which no country can afford these days. It's nothing we can change and nothing we can avoid in Italy.