Not as silly as this:Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yQmQ1ZvYAo...85_722263a.jpg
...and this:
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Not as silly as this:Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yQmQ1ZvYAo...85_722263a.jpg
...and this:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...ttelwebber.jpg
Not to forget his antics in the Brazil race 2012. I'm not sure that Mark has reasons to point fingers, but still doesn't make Vettel's move right. I just think Mark shouldn't throw stones as long as he's in the glas house.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
If it wasn't for the great nuances, I would have discounted this GP as another "tire managed show and lottery". However, the devil was in the details...
1. Alonso plows his car into Vettel after turn one, refuses to pit when he can, ends the race in kitty litter. This was really bizzare. He probably has more to explaining to do after the race than Vettel, Hamilton, or Ross Brawn.
2. Hamilton briefly stops in McLaren pit box to say hi to his old crew. A great comic relief. This was cute.
3. Lotus cars are not as mighty is it was thought. They were clearly struggling against the "weak" McLaren cars, Sauber, and a few others. I think after 4-5 races they will drop to their "usual" place in WCC.
4. Force India pits Sutil and Diresta on the same lap. Di Resta waits parked as the crew has problems changing Sutil's tires. This was just stupid.
5. Force India botches Di Resta's pit stop.
6. Both Force India cars retire... what's up. Did they just decide to have a "free" engine or transmission change?
7. McLaren botches Button's tire change, dropping him from a great, possibly top 5, points position down to like 16th place. Then calls him into pits on the last lap.
8. The weird "stand off" between Mercedes drivers.
9. The stand off between RBR cars.
10. The most tense F1 podium ceremony we have seen in a long time.
Overall, a great race!
There will be a lot to discuss for three weeks until the next race in China.
I don't think there is anything lacking on the whole with racecraft in F1, I think it is more about the culture of micromanaging everything. Something that perhaps couldn't be done without the vast information available to the teams thanks to sensors on the cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
By the way, regarding the fuel saving of Mercedes I just remembered a similar situation, which was solved in a different way. Belgian GP in 2011. Schumacher was catching Rosberg and late in the race Rosberg was told to save fuel. So Schumacher overtook him and got 5th place.
So I think Rosberg feels that Brawn hasn't been consistent in his application of team orders and felt uncomfortable during the race.
Brundle mentioned that the most probable scenario is that Mercedes would have offered Hamilton a contract whereby he is the undisputed #1 in the team from the outset, which explains what unfolded in the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
I also think that's what we saw unfold in the race.
Pure speculation from Brundle and it irritated me when I heard him say that. I expected more from him. It's just stirring the pot for the sake of it. Ross Brawn himself came out and said that Hamilton hadn't asked for any special treatment and he'd be an idiot to give it considering how fast Nico is. I personally feel this is total rubbish and completely unfounded.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiftingGears
I wasn't really referring to that, but the suggestion that, had the RBs and Mercs been allowed to race, they wouldn't all have finished. About micro-managing, I agree — it's unnecessary. Because the technology exists doesn't mean it should be used.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShiftingGears
....Which has me thinking the only thing about Hamilton’s fuel situation which warrants Rosberg having a go (and I'm not slagging Lewis) is that there is a very high probability that the decision to run with minimum fuel was his race engineer's and his, although I could be wrong. If this is the case and he ran lighter than NR, NR should have been allowed to race for the win beyond the final pit stop all the way to the end of the race, as I don't think he (NR) should have had to compromise his (sufficient fuel for pressing all the way to the end) strategy.
Well one thing is pretty sure, there aren't going to be team orders at Red Bull any longer. They can say what they want on the radio, but Webber isn't going to yield under any circumstances after this and today we saw what Vettel's position is.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85