People Power

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Do you believe in personal responsibility? Do you think there should be some mechanism that narrows the gap between the "rich" and "poor"?

Again, on this we agree (at least as you put it here, you'll probably parse it a bit differently in a minute). This is precisely the reason I am against bailouts. Let the f'ers go down with the ship. Make them learn a lesson.

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People actually start cheering at about the 1:00 mark. :eek:

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The individual, private charity, families, and faith based orgs should take care of people, not the government.

If people can't afford healthcare, then they should take personal responsibility and hurry up and DIE. Perhaps we should allow involuntary euthanasia, and that way decrease the surplus population. It would be far more economical if the unproductive and unemployed members of society were destroyed.

If people's jobs have been relocated to Thailand where the labour force is cheaper and they can't afford to pick up stumps and move there, then too bad.
People should take personal responsibility for themselves and if life happens to deal them a dud set of cards or a corporation decides on the basis of a business decision that entire communities should suffer, then too bad.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

What is wrong with wanting to provide for your children and grandchildren? Or, what if I earn more than I can spend in my lifetime, and donate the rest to charity? (see Bill Gates)

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Providing for your children is optional. If you want to provide for your children, you save. Buy cheaper cars, cheaper houses, cheaper yachts, cheaper airplanes, eat cheaper food, make fewer around the world trips, etc. Some parents may prefer their children to have spine and make their own life instead of pampering.

Charity is good. Taxes are good too, they take care of the charity for you.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

If they ripped me off, I can take them to court ("substantial" resources aren't really required).

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What's the process like over there? I hear all the time people saying they'll take a company to court but the reality isn't that simple. I've taken 3 court actions in my life and the quickest of these took 6 months from start to finish, and that was only because the company settled after the allocation questionnaire. I got ripped off by a gym membership and the case took the best part of 3 years to resolve, and involved the Information Commissioner's Offce and the Office of Fair Trading.

So when I hear "see you in court" I always take it with a pinch of salt. Is remedy really that easy elsewhere?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Why is it any of your business what they get paid?

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Because as a British taxpayer I have subsidised their industry and own large parts of it.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

They continue to behave as they did before, becasue it was clearly demonstrated to them that there are no consequences for their behavior. The solution was not to bail them out, but to allow them to fail.

Allowing the free market to work (allowing bad business practices to be punished by failure) would make people fairly accountable. Your debate position that government must fix everything is dangerous and will lead to worse issues in the future, IMO.

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Wrong, the solution was not to allow the situation to happen in the first place.

Allowing them to fail is all well and good on paper, and I agree with you that nothing else would have been as good in ensuring the same didn't happen again. However the effect on the national and global economies would have been dire. Tell me what the effect on America would have been if the top five US banks had gone bankrupt? Ditto for the rest of the world? What do you do if the companies involved are too big to be allowed to fail?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

People actually start cheering at about the 1:00 mark. :eek:

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I couldn't stomach Republicans 20 years ago but now they're way over the edge in their fury and frustration. At least the mask has finally dropped away and you can see the naked greed and selfishness that permeates their world view. Under their rhetoric of moral hazards lie the ugly reality of indulgence in mortal sin.

And yet they present themselves as the religious ones.

you mean as the religious righteous ones... :p

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Originally Posted by Rollo

[youtube]Z8EbLC6iC3Q[/youtube]

People actually start cheering at about the 1:00 mark. :eek:

https://twitter.com/#!/RonPaul/statu...23706247802881
The individual, private charity, families, and faith based orgs should take care of people, not the government.

If people can't afford healthcare, then they should take personal responsibility and hurry up and DIE. Perhaps we should allow involuntary euthanasia, and that way decrease the surplus population. It would be far more economical if the unproductive and unemployed members of society were destroyed.

If people's jobs have been relocated to Thailand where the labour force is cheaper and they can't afford to pick up stumps and move there, then too bad.
People should take personal responsibility for themselves and if life happens to deal them a dud set of cards or a corporation decides on the basis of a business decision that entire communities should suffer, then too bad.

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Actually I like the idea of mandatory vasectomies managed by the UN so the entire world participates. Then I am for working welfare - You check in for work and we will figure out something. The state would provide daycare but those fat bitches would be showing up for a job. Next would be worker visas to control the border. But don't worry the crops will die on the vine, the fat bitches will continue to multiply and receive welfare checks. We will continue to destroy central and south America with our drug appetite - we are so dumb we have started gang welfare now which is paid for by the drug users. Actually quite better than the regular welfare so maybe fat bitches selling crack is the way forward. I like the new one. The fat bitches have 10 kids. Then they claim some reason that the kids need foster homes so they pick a relative and the gov pays them 1500 per mo per kid - due the math. There is a real meaning now to the phrase we are "fcking crazy"

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Originally Posted by Roamy

There is a real meaning now to the phrase we are "fcking crazy"

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The way we look at the "Dark Ages" in our history books - years from now, humanity will look at this era of human history as the latest version of "Dark Ages".

They will say: "Were these people nuts!!!!!! :confused:

Yes we are nuts but I don't lose hope. We as a race will prevail but there is a lot of work to be done for us to get there.

Occupy dammit!

:s mokin:

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

The way we look at the "Dark Ages" in our history books - years from now, humanity will look at this era of human history as the latest version of "Dark Ages".

They will say: "Were these people nuts!!!!!! :confused:

Yes we are nuts but I don't lose hope. We as a race will prevail but there is a lot of work to be done for us to get there.

Occupy dammit!

:s mokin:

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The way I see it the world has two choices. Vasectomy or Plague and I voted many many years ago!! :)

Probably don't expect much change until the true middle class decides to occupy and I don't see that as 90% or them are working. The solution is still a third party and prosecute corrupt gov workers i.e. all of congress

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

I couldn't stomach Republicans 20 years ago but now they're way over the edge in their fury and frustration. At least the mask has finally dropped away and you can see the naked greed and selfishness that permeates their world view.

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To look at it another way, 30 years ago Reagan was a figure of some ridicule in Europe, but not the sort of hatred that one now reads and hears expressed for the US right today.