Should f1 run coupes?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

What about a KERS failure , where the vapours get into the cockpit ?

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What vapours?

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

What vapours?

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The vapours from the chemical reactions in a failed/overheated battery pack - that's not nice stuff!

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The vapours from the chemical reactions in a failed/overheated battery pack - that's not nice stuff!

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I don't quite see how that would get into the car though considering its behind the driver and the cockpit would presumably be sealed except for an intake near the front of the car.

Good to see people trying to think of practical reasons why it won't work rather than "It's just not cricket" type arguments.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Kimi had a KERS failure in 2009 where the smoke was that bad he was climbing out of the car as it was still moving. Can't remember the race however. :)

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Well clearly it's something which needs to be looked at and the cockpit needs to be sealed. It's hardly ideal at the moment that the gases can get in owing to their being no canopy now is it? ;) :p

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't quite see how that would get into the car though considering its behind the driver and the cockpit would presumably be sealed except for an intake near the front of the car.

Good to see people trying to think of practical reasons why it won't work rather than "It's just not cricket" type arguments.

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The example of vapours as Bagwan alluded to has actually happened with Kimi in the Ferrari in 2009. Might I suggest that factual reasoning not be ridiculed?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't quite see how that would get into the car though considering its behind the driver and the cockpit would presumably be sealed except for an intake near the front of the car.

Good to see people trying to think of practical reasons why it won't work rather than "It's just not cricket" type arguments.

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One has to weigh the benefits against the issues created by the implementation of any safety "improvement" .
Directly related to this issue is the raising of the sides of the cockpit leading to the drivers saying more often that they have limitted vision .

If we were to , instead of adding a closed shell , add a higher bar , and lower "shoulders" on the cockpit , would it not improve impact safety at the same time as allowing for better sighting for the driver ?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The example of vapours as Bagwan alluded to has actually happened with Kimi in the Ferrari in 2009. Might I suggest that factual reasoning not be ridiculed?

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Daniel , I believe , is suggesting that if there was a canopy , that it would be sealed .
At present , it is not .

Relevent point , but one also must concede , Daniel , that in a high impact situation , that the proximity of the two comparments is rather close , and that a breach in the cockpit cell is easily possible , and perhaps even likely .

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

The example of vapours as Bagwan alluded to has actually happened with Kimi in the Ferrari in 2009. Might I suggest that factual reasoning not be ridiculed?

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Might I suggest that you actually read my post. I was saying that it was good that people were coming up with factual arguments rather than this whole "It's not cricket" nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Daniel , I believe , is suggesting that if there was a canopy , that it would be sealed .
At present , it is not .

Relevent point , but one also must concede , Daniel , that in a high impact situation , that the proximity of the two comparments is rather close , and that a breach in the cockpit cell is easily possible , and perhaps even likely .

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And there would certainly have to be some sort of quick release mechanism for the canopy. I certainly think that if this change is made that it should be done after a lengthy design process and a consultation period with the teams as well as an exhaustive look at the dangers which it could potentially cause. Heck if it's found that it's far worse than having the roof open then it should be left open of course.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

And there would certainly have to be some sort of quick release mechanism for the canopy. I certainly think that if this change is made that it should be done after a lengthy design process and a consultation period with the teams as well as an exhaustive look at the dangers which it could potentially cause. Heck if it's found that it's far worse than having the roof open then it should be left open of course.

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Sure , it was worth a look , but it looks like they took that look and decided it wasn't worth it .