Mobile phones & tablets thread

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

I had everything saved too, or so I thought :s
I even bought an App backerupper, to be on the safe side...
Did the OS update, resynched, and hey presto ! Everything was there.
... Except a years worth of app data (settings, game status, etc). :dozey:

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I'm still new to this so you'll have to excuse me for not "getting it". If I understand what you're saying, you didn't lose the apps themselves, but the settings and some of the data associated with the apps?

Just for giggles, I reset my iPod Touch last night to see what would happen. I had a bank app that wasn't working right so I figured I'd play around to see if I could fix it. I backed up everything with an iTunes sync and held the power button and the home button on the screen (as my girl suggested - she's the iExpert in this relationship) until I saw the Apple symbol on the screen. It reset the apps, everything started working again (including the bank app and another app that had been in "wait" mode for several days) and my settings and data were still there. I guess that's considered a "soft" reset and not the total reset though. :confused:

But I guess you actually upgraded to a newer iOS, right? And that's what made the apps, settings and data go hinky? Yeah, that would be a problem. When I go to iOS 4.2, I'll see what happens. Like I said, this is all new to me. And right now, any data that's on the iPod Touch is also in at least two other locations - coming from the MicroSux Windows world, I've gotten used to devices crashing, freezing up and losing my data. But that still sucks what happened to your son.

Like the caveman who saw fire for the first time, and then figured out that he could cook his dinner with it, I just made my first series of stock trades on this thing. So in an indirect way, I guess you could say that it's already paid for itself. So far, so good. :up:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I mean FFS Gridgirl is talking about having to rebuild her iPhone EVERYTIME TomTom release an update and she still wants to buy a new one

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She has an 8GB iPhone 3G I believe. On which she has lots of stuff stored, certainly more than 6GB worth.

The TomTom application with Western Europe maps weighs in at around 2GB. But whenever there is an update you get the entire 2GB download again! The way updates work it downloads it into a temporary area, then deletes the old app and installs the new one. But GridGirl doesn't have the 2GB space required to download the new app, so she's forced to download the app on her PC and then wipe the phone and reinstall everything.

Now the problem here is TomTom insisting on giving you the maps every single time. I have another iPhone app called ViewRanger which has around 1GB of maps with it and when they publish updates you just download the very small app and update that, the maps are not touched, so it can be done!

The problem here isn't a specific "ooh Apple is bad" fault, it's a combination of TomToms giant size and update policy and the fact that she's got too much stuff in flash memory!

Myself I've successfully updated TomTom when an update is released, because I have sufficient free storage.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I mean FFS Gridgirl is talking about having to rebuild her iPhone EVERYTIME TomTom release an update .....

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To be fair Daniel, I only have to rebuild it because I only have an 8GB iphone that doesnt have enought memory because I've used it all. At the time of buying my iphone I thought that 8gb would be more than enough memory space and 18 months down the line it obviously isn't. I wouldn't have to rebuild my iphone when TomTom updates if I had a 16gb or 32GB iphone. The problem is not Apple's. Its mine for underestimating how much stuff (apps, music, photo's etc) I would want to keep on the phone. :)

Edit: Yeah, like Mark said. :p :)

When I bought my phone I wasn't sure if going for 32GB would be worth the extra cash. But looking at my usage I have 12.8GB of stuff at the moment, and I believe the 16GB model has something like 14GB usable capacity. So already I'd be in a position where I couldn't update TomTom either!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

So you went against the advice you were getting.... because there were too many people telling you to do something?

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No, I got the iPhone because the people 'advising' me to get the Desire were largely just being dicks and slagging the iPhone rather than telling me what was so great about the Desire. Since owning my iPhone I have had no problems with it either.

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Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo

No, I got the iPhone because the people 'advising' me to get the Desire were largely just being dicks and slagging the iPhone rather than telling me what was so great about the Desire. Since owning my iPhone I have had no problems with it either.

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Indeed. You need to objectively weigh up the pro's and con's of whatever you decide to purchase - this applies to all purchases of course.

It does seem that objective advice for mobile phones is hard to come by as it gets drowned out by the 'fanbois' and the 'haters'.

I hear Nokia is coming up with a new model, Nokia myBad.

Go to shop. Try lots of phones. Go away and think about it. Don't listen to anybody else. Make your own mind up. Buy the one you like.

Easy peasy.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Indeed. You need to objectively weigh up the pro's and con's of whatever you decide to purchase - this applies to all purchases of course.

It does seem that objective advice for mobile phones is hard to come by as it gets drowned out by the 'fanbois' and the 'haters'.

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Originally Posted by Andrewmcm

Go to shop. Try lots of phones. Go away and think about it. Don't listen to anybody else. Make your own mind up. Buy the one you like.

Easy peasy.

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Excellent advice from both of you. The same is true of computers, cars and I would say a great many other consumer items.

We all probably have brand preferences for various items. And there may be some companies that we don't like. But at the end of the day, to get the best product, you really need to rely on objective advice and accept the how's, what's and why's of your purchase. The tough part is, until you buy a particular type of device, you may not (fully) realize what that class of device is capable of doing. Though I still have more negatives than positives on getting a smartphone, and I knew the basics of why I wanted this iPod Touch instead, almost everyday I find some new, unknown (to me) business related app that makes it possible for me to save time and/or make money. Who knew???

Ugh! Fire good! Rain bad! :D

I have always found Aps a fascinating add-on.

First, it allows creative geeks to come up with sometimes amazing applications and also make a profit out of it.

The latest one my son got is this:

Finding a place to go to the bathroom in NYC is a pain in a pain in the butt (literally).
Our city does not have public/pay lues like you find in some european cities so when you have to go you have to seek restaurants (where only patrons can use the facilities) or go to one of the mayor transportation hubs or risk an arrest when you are forced to go behind a tree.

The ap my son purchased uses your phone's GPS to let you know what bathroom facilities are around where you are and it also posts pictures of them and gives them star ratings.

How useful is that!

But my all time favorite is the one that comes included on my iPhone called "maps" (and probably on other smart phones) which is the live map that shows where you are and can take you to places that you want to find (like a restaurant or a bank, or a particular street address). I love that I can see where I am and how I literarily 'move' in the map.

What's your favorite ap?
:s mokin: