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Everything YOU NEED To Know About Spain’s WRC Rally1 Project - https://youtu.be/l74yS8dqcQ0
im not paying much attention to these news but someone said - as a joke - that this is a cupra built on top of the polo r5 the same way the lancia is a lancia built on top of the c3 r5 haha.
And the Cupra again seems to be basically the same VW MEB platform as Ford uses for the Explorer and CapriQuote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
How many times is need to write that the Lancia is not a C3 based? C3 is other platform. The only thing developed from C3 (apart know-how of Citroën/Stellantis) is the engine.
I really wonder what those tuners expect and how they finance themselves. This is no dig against them, but I just don't see how they can be competitive and finance themselves long term
the horizon is rally2 end of homologation. around 2030 there will be need for new cars for all regional rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferranis
+ some general things (transmission, suspension layout) are also based on C3 phylosophy and experience with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I listened to a podcast with Vaclav Pech, who drives a C3 in Czechia. He said that when they went to look at the car, no one made a secret of it. The only significant difference he mentioned was a 2 cm shorter wheelbase and a few lightweight components on the chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
For some strange reason a reminder of another short lived "formula" from the FIA popped into one of my feeds yesterday. I know this was supposed to be production car based however feels like a portent of things to come in some ways:
https://www.oreca.com/en/manufacturer/fia-r4-concept/
Future is hard to predict, but I already smell a homologation extension. 2030 is practically right around the cornerQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Without a doubt, but eligibility is a different conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferranis
Indeed, they would want to phase out the Rally2 somehow, but how and when will be the big questionQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
true, but that's the right time if someone thinks to take advantage of the new regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferranis
As I said earlier. wRC27 have an equal chance of failing as succeding. The thing is that we will see. If the rules will be a hit, then sure they won't extend Rally2, but if it will fail, Rally2 cars will live on... Except if FIA will somehow kill both categories, which I wouldn't rule out completely regarding their reputation dealing with our beloved sport.
The more and more stuff i see being posted these days, i think WRC27 is the biggest corruption deal in the WRC
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Seems Wheatley did speak (to Autohebdo) about the i20 Rally2 and development by their customer team.
https://rallyjournal.com/hyundai-lea...6jWFF6rZ1HhVOw
This could lead to them following the Skoda model.
"Under that model, Hyundai could concentrate on customer racing once the new regulations come into force, supplying cars to private teams and providing technical support without officially entering the championship as a manufacturer."
Unlike in WRC2, I suspect if Hyundai doesn't enter as a manufacturer ('constructor') then their cars may not be eligible for whatever the 'top class' is called when they merge WRC27 and Rally2.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I think we are at this stage that nobody even cares if they stay or go. Oh right, tbey are not there yet 🙈
Hope they go. It's quite frankly embarrassing for a manufacturer, that is for years now in the top class, to not turn up in a car with the latest regulations next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
WRC needs full commitment and not whatever they are doing right now
The question is also which privateer's are going to want to drive a Rally2 Hyundai anyway, when the Toyota, Skoda & Lancia are so much better.and newer ? Maybe just Paddon as he's the only one to get decent results with it (in the ERC).
For how many years they are threatening of leaving and demanding their own rules? For how many years are Toyota and privateer M-Sport accepting their terms? They lost all my respect and I would rather see them gone than having manufacturer like that. I mean, they were a great addition to sport, to first bring some little challenge to VW, then Toyota and without them sport would probably die, but enough is enough. Being 14-15 years in sport and everytime missed being well prepared and then crying over everyone and everything else is a complete joke. I know that some teams can struggle in this sport but M-Sport is not crying that much even if they completely missed a target with their lineup lately, but their car is not that bad, with all those cents they are running the whole thing. I think that Hyundai should let someone else run and build their cars and they providing only money and they would do a lot better. And of course keep Cyril completely out of this sport
Ogier on the change to WRC27 Cars...
“That’s life. There’s always something new coming along. Right now, it looks like the first step with the next generation of cars will be a step backwards.”
“But I’m pretty sure things will continue to evolve, just as they always have.”
Non existent market for their car. You would be stupid to buy a new Hyundai, since they did not prove any kind of long term commitment to the WRC, 2027 onward. They could be gone from 1 year to the nextQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It would not be vise to mention namesQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
But what did you see posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Their cars will be fine for customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
BRC Racing Team who ran (& developed) Paddon's i20 Rally2 to 2x ERC Titles show the car isnt totally useless...
https://www.fiaerc.com/en/news/paddo...rc-team-on-top
And you could say the same for MSport with the Fiesta Rally2 (in the hands of Jon Armstrong) last year.
I've read many times that the difference between all the cars isnt that huge and very often it's the driver that decides its results. Some are even still putting in top times in the Polo R5 that hasnt been developed for 5 years !
Some people should be jumping for joy that this is realistic top class discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
what do you mean by "new"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferranis
there will be no new rally2, as homologation of the class is finished. you can buy the same rally2 that is running now, with new upgrades if they'll do some. And Rally2s now are almost all on the same pace.
New in the sense that the car is new for you. Customer which does not have a Hyundai Rally2 buying one, like you outlinedQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
That will all depend on the price. There are a few rich people who don't care, but the biggest group of drivers are constrained by budget. If they can give good deals, they could sell cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It's still open until the end of this year, isn't it? Hyundai customer racing boss even said that they are looking into doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
They are not there yet and nor they won't be in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
it is, end of the year. (but i don't know about anyone developing a new rally2, just people upgraing )
That's always been the case and people have chosen Toyota, Skoda, Citroen over Hyundai Rally2 and not because they are cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
https://www.autohebdof1.com/news/ral...rallying..html
Should we believe him? I think not. At least it's something to read about since their promises (again) didn't come true at Rally Japan.
I just heard about this recently, Skoda has this price money you get in parts, that's quite a big thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I think yes. It all needs to be rubber stamped at the WMSC meeting the week after next. Should hear a few announcements and news then.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Not sure it was anybody official saying anything about announcements in Japan?