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Will post it ASAP in the morning unless someone else does first. Although I guess if it's that bad then it may break before then.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
While we're all taking guesses. I'll go for WRC promoter pulling out. But it could literally be anything. Might not even be WRC related.
My guess is not directly WRC related. Something like "race car emission limits".
Mull Rally
2017 Beatson’s Mull Rally — Statement
It is a matter of considerable regret for the organisers and the Motor Sport Association, the sport’s governing body, that the Beatson’s Building Supplies Mull Rally cannot run as a closed road event in 2017 due to insurmountable insurance issues.
MSA Chief Executive Rob Jones explained the current situation:
“The Mull Rally runs under a private Act of Parliament. It has emerged that the private closed road legislation raises very significant insurance challenges for Mull this year, which was first thought to render the Mull Rally uninsurable.
“The MSA has been endeavouring to find a solution with its brokers. Whilst the brokers have offered a potential solution for 2017, this is unfortunately totally impractical as each and every claim under the policy would be subject to a very significant excess payable by the organisers, and one which the organisers cannot afford.”
Consequently the Mull Rally is unable to run as a closed road event this year. It will be the first time the world renowned three-day rally, which last year attracted a record-equalling 150 crews and generates around £1 million for the local economy, will not have run on closed public roads since the event was granted its Act of Parliament in 1990.
“This development has come as a massive shock,” Andy Jardine, Mull Rally Clerk of the Course, said on receiving the news, “as we were well on with a lot of the early work of setting the route and preparing the paperwork.
“As I understand it, the MSA has been working behind the scenes to try and agree a work-around but have been unable to come up with an acceptable solution. Our attention is now focussed on what can be done in the short timescale to make sure something happens over the weekend.”
Donald Brown, chairman of the Guardians of Mull Rally, admitted the cancellation of the 2017 Mull Rally will have a negative financial impact on the island.
“There’s no denying this is a huge blow to the Island and its businesses who work hard to welcome the competitors, volunteers and spectators each year to the island in October,” Brown said.
“The organising team is endeavouring to put on an alternative motorsport event for the same weekend on Mull. Naturally those plans are at a very early stage of development, but it’s hoped the new event will be attractive to Mull residents, competitors, volunteers and spectators alike.
“Initial feasibility checks have been started to see what can be done to mitigate the impact and hope we can rely on our regular visitors continuing to support us.”
The MSA and Mull Rally organisers fully acknowledge the Mull Rally's economic benefit of around £1 million to the Isle of Mull.
It is hoped that following the conclusion of the Fatal Accident Inquiry into the Jim Clark and Snowman rallies in July and August this year, that the Scottish Government will quickly adopt the new legislation recently passed in Westminster which will allow the Mull Rally to make a return in its closed road format in 2018.
Do organisers not pass the excess on to competitors for insurance in the UK? For example in NZ we have event insurance, but the competitor is liable for the excess, which is normally about $3500, so still worthwhile if you hit a power pole or a house, otherwise not too many claims.
Yeah so the Mull insurance issue is the front page story and the bad news. As you were...
And that's supposed to touch every rally fan? I didn't even know about such event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Not WRC admittedly but the Tour of Mull has a massive place in the UK rally calendar. It is steeped in rally history from its early roots as a road rally then evolved into possibly the most popular and certainly one of the most challenging closed roads events in the UK. It really is like no other event over here and since the loss of the Jim Clark Rally (hopefully still temporary), it was for many the only opportunity to drive on a closed roads event.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
For those involved in the event, this will be a very bitter pill to swallow.
Sorry if this is off topic but I thought it worthwhile explaining why a UK motorsport publication was making a big deal of it.
I´m pretty sure that it has never been WRC event and this is "WRC News & Rumours"Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There is relevance...
Until 18 months ago it was the same clerk of the course as Rally GB in Iain Campbell, there is also the wider issue of linking stages on Rally GB with small Asphalt sections. This will all fall under the new legislation longer term, so whilst it may not jump off the page as relevant, there actually is a lot buried away that is indeed relevant...hope that helps explain cheers
lmao!!!
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Originally Posted by AnttiL
....BIG NEWS: a bicycle has fallen down in Peking yesterday evening :) nobody see this coming...it simply fell down...fortunatly nobody was hurt...:)
Jesus. And we (well some of us) got all upset. Kudos to the ones that could smell the bait turd.
That's true but on the other hand it's still sad news. The rally had some of the very best asphalt stages in the world and I am dead serious about that. Calgary Bay could be a worldwide known legend if it was run in WRC...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yes, I agree that the news shouldn't really be in the WRC news section but the potential implications of the new legislation might have a big impact on the future of rallying in UK, and might eventually effect also Rally GB as was already mentioned by Brynmor Pierce...
I don't blame for anyone posting the tweets here because they didn't really say it was non-WRC news, instead it was implied by talking about "big bad news for every rally fan".Quote:
Originally Posted by [WRCRR]
So at then end was there anything related to WRC news in MN today?
Nope. BREAKING NEWS - some rally got cancelled in some armpit in Britain that noone south of the channel ever heard of. BUY A COPY NOW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
That was... elementary, my dear WatsonQuote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Nice one. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I was waiting for this moment since the first time I saw you in this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
why post worthless news from the autism land ?
Question back to you: Why post worthless autism from news land?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
You need a new catchphrase.
Plenty of Sardinia preview stuff but not really anything of massive interest. Like a couple of others have said, Rally GB organisers talking about using some tiny tarmac sections of stage to link forests together. Nothing that is really going to impact the average fan. And obviously not anything that will be incorporated this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
This will give you an idea https://www.msauk.org/assets/405-409...ppendix2-1.pdf Excess is is payable by the organising club and normally £425, however obviously Mull was considered to be a special case and presumably the amount asked for by the insurers was deemed too high for the club to risk. Remember that clubs are mostly small and volunteer lead. In theory they could provide in the regs that competitors would be responsible for the excess, but if an incident occured then it would be up to the club to first pay the excess to the MSA/insurers. They could then try to recover that money from the competitor but that wouldn't necessarily be a quick process. If the excess was, say £5,000, then there's a chance that the club wouldn't have the kind of money required to actually pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkvy
You also have to remember that the current 'climate' of rallying in the UK is in a pretty precarious situation in regard to liability. The incident on the Jim Clark in 2014 (and subsequent inquiry) mean that the insurers are particularly jumpy. I suspect
It's a UK publication so would angle everything towards UK fans, hardly surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Well said Jan; it may not interest a lot of people on here, understandable I suppose - but this is a major UK rally story; the Mull Rally is probably the best event in the UK, and the reason for it's cancellation is possibly quite serious for other events.
Thanks for the explanation, I am surprised you don't have to pay your own excess as a competitor, but I get what you mean about the club liability if there was a lot of crashes - we certainly have that risk here in NZ as we are a little smaller, but have quite a bit of motorsport for our size. In NZ you would I imagine simply loose your motorsport license if you didn't pay the clubs, so a fairly good incentive?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Hopefully this doesn't continue to happen!
Getting reasonable insurance cover and other rising costs have also been a big issue over in Ireland. There has been some progress in a recent meeting between competitors and Motorsport Ireland (see link) but many Irish events and the sport in general remain in a very precarious position.
"even if the cost of entry fees drop next year or the year after, it will be too late as some competitors are beginning to sell their cars and are quitting the sport." :(
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/o...ux-450931.html
The same would probably happen here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munkvy
I suspect that the genuine problem is that the excess being asked is far more than anything the MSA have had previously, to the extent that even an organisation as the MSA aren't willing to even underwrite the excess. The decision wouldn't have been taken lightly and as Andy says it could possibly signal future issues for other events (which is why MN consider it a big deal).
Not really fair. That said, while it was certainly bad news, it certainly wasn't "big" news "touching every rally fan" and Evans was quite wrong and misleading to set the story up that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
This would be big news, and bad news.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Not to pile on Meeke, but didn't he do the lion's share of the development work on the car? If I'm off base, I apologize, but some drivers just aren't that great at development work, and others are (Sainz and Delecour come to mind).Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Well at least it's happening in NORF. Not traditional chicanes, but something to slow down the fast sections. No haybales that move and break when you bump into them. Something on every stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Also the rally clerk says that he does not like the added speed and drivability of the new WRC cars, and that next year they will probably have to redesign the rally route for smaller and slower roads.
And also the tractor chicane on SSS Harju that Ogier complained about, will not be there this year.
http://www.is.fi/ralli/art-2000005244717.html (in Finnish)
btw. It´s NRF (Neste Rally Finland), Oil part has been dropped over year ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
By the way, it sounds stupid to call it NRF. I prefer Rally Finland and can live with NORF.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Route changes won't concern every stage, but almost every stage. Most notable must be SS Päijälä to which they are applying permissions for a new slower section in the middle. Other changes will be must smaller, some kind of "natural chicanes" using junctions to connecting roads or so. Also the anti-cut poles they introduced last year will be used this year.
Removal of tractor chicaine could be solely because Valtra isn't (that big) a sponsor this year as it were last year.
Not sure if you have additional information, but in the interview he says "varmaan ihan joka pätkälle" which translates roughly to "probably to each and every stage". So at the same time he's diminishing ("varmaan") and emphasizing ("ihan") his comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Just stop it with the abbreviations altogether. This silly internet slang gives me a stomach ache. The only thing worse than people writing whole paragraphs in shorthand is when they rape the English grammar with toss like 'could of'.
I still haven't learned not to call it 1000 Lakes Rally ;)
Wales Rally GB eyeing the use of closed roads for 2018 as a way of refreshing the event's competitive route. https://t.co/R8u0EFXRVG https://t.co/sm3RcHvChE
Not sure that I agree that 'some chicanes' is bigger news than losing a fairly major national event. Particularly as Evans didn't tweet anything about 'all rally fans'. Unfair to say he mislead when the tweet he posted was:Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
"Always important for rally fans to pick up @MNmotorsport first thing on a Wednesday. Tomorrow it's doubly important. #bigbadnews"
As I said before, it's a UK publication and to me that tweet is aimed at the readership (i.e UK based). In those terms the news was fairly big and fairly bad.
This discussion about NORF (NRF, Thousand Lakes, Jyväskylän Suurajot) route would be better in Rally Finland thread, wouldn´t it?