as an estonian couldnt be more happy, christmas came early for me this year!!! cant wait for the season to begin now. wuuuuuhuuuuu
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as an estonian couldnt be more happy, christmas came early for me this year!!! cant wait for the season to begin now. wuuuuuhuuuuu
I know M-Sport only take pay drivers, and although I think Evans and Tanak both have potential, this line up is the weakest for a 'manufacturer team' since Gardemeister / Kresta at Ford in 2005, or Gardemeister / PG Andersson at Susuki in 2008 (please correct me if there have been worse line-ups)
M-sport will go from a team that can't win a rally, to a team that can't get on the podium. Evans may improve and get into the top 4 or 5 when a few of the others have problems, and Tanak.......he'll crash a lot.
Just watched Rally Finland 2004. In 2004 Marrko Matin was showing good speed with M-Sport and im sure next year Ott will be very fast too. Wrc really needs more competition!
In last 2 years Ott has taken part in 20 rally events, he has had 3 crashes. We will see in 2015. I think they will surprise us. Elfin has done it in 2014. And I like the lineup. It is something new!
Tanak and a "pay driver" dont go together, and regarding to getting to podium i think M-Sport has to be more worried about their car being competitive next year hearing all the upgrates others are planning, than their drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
I think it's really good line-up, the both have strong potential.
I dont think M-Sport had the possibility to make a better choice?
M-Sport has a really important role in rallying, they always gave the chance to young drivers and this is really good !
I think this is the right choice for M-Sport, Elfyn has done a good job this year and Tanak deserves another chance in my opinion :)
They really needed someone with the experience of Hirvonen for another year for Evans to learn from. I don't think this is a particularly strong lineup, but what else could they do? Trouble is there isn't the same depth of talent in the WRC as there was 10-20 years ago. Other than the VW boys there's Meeke who seems to be on the fringes of that level but not quite there and no one else on par in terms of proven speed and experience... and the ability to stay on the road.
Surprises are of course possible but there aren't really that many that happen in the WRC these days. I wouldn't be expecting any big results or podiums gained on merit from the M-Sport drivers, in 2015 at least.
I think the talents is around, but when its so expensive to get experienced enough to be seen by the teams most of them never even get seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
And bad publicity of wrc the last 10yrs, one seb to win all the time, more focus on money into the teams than raw talent, bad rules, to expensive, only on paytv, bad internetsolutions, wrong focus by the stakeholders, to few cars awailable, and so on....
I agree with most points but Sebastian Loeb's dominance was no one's 'fault' as such. Correct it made people lose interest during that period - me included - but you can't really mitigate for things like that in sport.
The talent would come through if more manufacturers were involved and willing to support young drivers from a junior level, but then there's barely any reason for more manufacturers to get involved in a championship that is so poorly promoted.
exactly! but at the same time i totally get why some people here are so negative because these two havent proved themselves yet. i think many people here will get surprised next year, especially Doon.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
In the first of those 2 years (2014) he was only competing in 'village' events with 'tourists'. Most of 2014 he has been competing against 'tourists' in WRC2.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Skoda's season in 2000 with Armin Schwarz and Luis Climent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
The only way I'll be surprised is if Tanak is consistently in the Top 5, and occasionally on the podium, because of his speed, not others misfortune.......which he won't be, there are too many others capable of beating him and the Fiesta. Might be a different story if he was in a VW ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Well, I think his first year he had the toughest comptetition and much bigger than he had in WRC2 for example:-) I would not call Lukyanuk with newer car as a tourist :-) But as I said, we will see. I am looking forward to next year and I hope we have some more young drivers taking part in top WR Car. Something new is always refreshing :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
I will never call Lukyanuk as a tourist, in any car. I will call him "crazy man" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Tanak is a good choice... but he could easily prove to be another Novikov with just pure speed and no control over it.
It was time for Mikko to go, but the jury is still out on Tanak IMO. I know WRC2 is a bit of a joke championship but what went wrong for Tanak there this year?
Or with the Fabia when it was Schwarz/Tuohino/Paasonen.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2-RcZfCAAQ4q5N.png
Good call, Malcolm !
I'm happy with the choice of Tanak - its better to have (and watch) someone who has speed and can improve, than to have another known quantity who cant improve and will give no excitement to the sport.
Ford has been there with Hirvonen & Ostberg in recent years and its better for M-Sport (and us) to take a chance and see what can happen.
Tanak has real speed and its easier to make a fast driver consistent, than a consistent driver fast ...
DMACK Tyres @DMACK_Tyres 5 ώρεςΠριν από 5 ώρες
One Estonian out, another coming in! Good luck to @SanderPrn in our WRC 2 team next year!
Is it sure that ott will pay for his backet this year?
Multiple mechanical failiures and little problems with tyres:Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Mexico - Wrong note. blind crest, co-driver said that there is a corner right after the crest.. but it was left instead, Superally as a result (won all the stages he took part)
Argentina - powersteering failed during landing and car jumped off the road, Rally 2 as a result
Sardegna - problems with powersteering and streering and trasmission, Rally 2 as a result
Poland - won the rally, led from start to finish
Rally Estonia- won the rally, led from start to finish
Finland - punctures, but still finished on the podium (Many DMack drivers had punctures there, for some reason)
Germany - DMACK is not fast enough on tarmac, but still managed to finish second,
Barum Czech Rally Zlin - was testing new DMack compounds, finished 7th.
Australia - problems with with transmission (2wd car) and finally when the car was ok, he was trying fight back and crashed.
he won 64 stages in WRC2 (Ketomaa was second with 28 stage wins and Nasser third with 26 stage wins.
So, to sum up, inexperienced co-driver at the beginning, multiple mechanical failiures and one mistake at the end of season.
Seems that it is really difficult to win WRC2 when you are not running RRC. Mostly problems with reliability of new cars.
I am pretty sure that he will not pay. He does not have any funds. Maybe there is some support related to his salary from his sponsors? I do not know.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Ott is good choice. Exciting to see what he can do. However as a swede I like Pontus T to become a WRC driver in the near future as well.
Yep, bluuford named all the problems that Tänak had this season, he also had powersteering issues in finland too. As a fan it was just a miserable season, every rally something worng with the car, kind of like Abbring in ERC.
He won in Poland but i rate very highly his second place in rally Germany. Dmack's tarmac tyres are just nowhere compared to Michelin. Tänak's main sponsor from Estonia said after rally germany that the tyres were already gone in the third corner. But he still managed to get second in overall and even win the 42km long Panzerplatte stage with those tyres.
This year I was curious what Ott will show on our specific Barum stages. I don't know how much of that can be blamed on the tyres but he was driving completely strange way. It was very spectacular but nobody ever made a good result here by drifting in every second corner.
Kubica in a private Citroen Ds3 Wrc for 2015 , maybe with Protasov teammate...Is It real ?
And we shouldn't forget the Dmack factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Seems that it was due to the tyres in Barum. Dmack has made good gravel tyre but it takes time to improve on tarmac. I was just comparing Fuchs (He was driving with DMack, if I am not mistaken) times on tarmac in Spain and he was mostly 2.2-2.5 sec per one km slower than leader. On gravel, and mixed stages he was just over 0.5 sec slower than class winner. So, there is a big difference.
No not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by SVrally
He will NOT drive a Citroen again or an M-Sport Fiesta...
So... he will run solo in 2015... but i'll leave it to you guys to guess which car ;)
I saw somewhere info that VW will provide car for him, but can this be true ? Is VW open for something like that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
If they are doing, it will be an Audi DTM car.......
I know it has been mentioned before, but Bertelli for the whole WRC seems to be confirmed: http://irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00007728
It would be nice when you post a rumour to cite the source instaed of posting things out your heads when your autism kicks in... otherwise we end with rumours that Ogier is going to Citroen.
you can't win a 42km stage with crappy tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
that stage is the evidence that dmack is much closer to the michelins than some would like to believe.
well, you can win if you are faster and more talented than others. That's the problem here, none of the other fast guys weren't driving with Dmack's so you can't really measure. im not sayin that the dmack's are the worst tyres in the world but they are definetly not close enough to michelins on tarmac. On gravel yes.
It would be nice if you could learn to be more mannerly in your posting, for a while it appeared your time banned form this place had given you time to reflect and mature, seems you have regressed a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Please feels free to post your opinions(they are often accurate) but please stop trying to be a twat with how you belittle other posters in nearly every post you make.
I keep my manners to people who deserve them.
Next year's evolution for citroen.
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/novem...9--12-12-.html
Reminds me of the evolution path the Subaru had in their final years... step by step... then out.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos