Hyundai i20 WRC

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Originally Posted by Simmi

They can paint it hot pink or dark brown. As long as it's quick and can bother the Polos I will be happy.

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You're right, but good looking liveries are always great to watch! And they actually are a vital element to sponsors communication.

Probably some will love Hyunday's livery, others hate it. Imo it's too complex and doesn't make a proper sense: weird color scheme, confusing design, and, most of all, it doesn't allow to catch the real look of the car.

Agree on the white line... call me childish all you like but I wouldn't mind orange wheels on all corners... that would look good in my opinion.
Anything is better than black, even Skoda green, but white is a bit... obvious maybe?
pleeeeeaaassseeee Hyundai, don't go for black wheels on final monte spec car.

I agree with itix and don´t agree with tommeke_B (post Nr. 1537) (Sorry, that´s life :) ) Tommeke_B says three colour are a way too much. But in my opinion 3 colours are the minimum. You can´t combine blue with dark grey and have good design. And the same for Skoda. You can´t combine green only with black. You just have to add at least one more colour ( I would prefer red for Skoda, but OK, grey or silver would be enough) and a lot of red is necessary for Hyundai (as logical opposite of light blue). If you will follow these rules, you can put any colour of wheels.

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Originally Posted by liposh

I agree with itix and don´t agree with tommeke_B (post Nr. 1537) (Sorry, that´s life :) ) Tommeke_B says three colour are a way too much. But in my opinion 3 colours are the minimum. You can´t combine blue with dark grey and have good design. And the same for Skoda. You can´t combine green only with black. You just have to add at least one more colour ( I would prefer red for Skoda, but OK, grey or silver would be enough) and a lot of red is necessary for Hyundai (as logical opposite of light blue). If you will follow these rules, you can put any colour of wheels.

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Subaru nailed two colours with the '555' Impreza and so did Peugeot when the 206 WRC was just red and white...

I think it's ugly and looks like a mini-bus

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Originally Posted by car

Subaru nailed two colours with the '555' Impreza and so did Peugeot when the 206 WRC was just red and white...

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Yes, you are right. And I liked both of them, but that is the case of two strong colours from two opposite ends of colour spectrum resp. warm colour vs. cold colour. I have read once article about Jordan F1 GP and why did they change their yellow color after season 1999. (google the change 1999 vs. 2000) They said better more aggresive yellow colour catches spectator´s eye, it is more visible in TV and it is cheap way to present sponsors and earn money. ..and You know Eddie Jordan and money are best friends :D

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This is very true!

Regroup Podcast from launch of new generation Hyundai i20 is now up on following link
Becs Williams chats with team management, drivers and codrivers and about the new WRC car and the R5 project
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/media/podc...114--80--.html

nice photo,looks nice from this angle

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV_DaCZWcAAr_N6.jpg:large

So this i20 is the basis of the 2017 model for WRC?

As they're not going to completely build a new 2017 model are they? This 2016 IS the NEW Road Shape too yes?

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

So this i20 is the basis of the 2017 model for WRC?

As they're not going to completely build a new 2017 model are they? This 2016 IS the NEW Road Shape too yes?

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current road shape yes, not new anymore. if they want they can do 2017 from i20 coupe/3-door version.

Any photo in plain white of this i20 WRC?
All known pictures are from the testing camouflage or the official crap livery. It would be great to see how the car really looks.

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Originally Posted by pantealex

current road shape yes, not new anymore. if they want they can do 2017 from i20 coupe/3-door version.

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I would be surely disappointed if they didn't go with the 3-door Coupe variant, as I view 5-doors as models more for families, rather than rallies. The WRC is the pinnacle of rally motorsports and there's a reason that manufacturers always use 3-door versions, as it signals their commitment to racing and the sacrifice of practicality for the purity of speed and sport.

Plus, I would think the chassis is by design, more rigid by losing 2 doors. Here's a photoshop someone on Google+ posted...

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Originally Posted by i20WRCoupe

The WRC is the pinnacle of rally motorsports and there's a reason that manufacturers always use 3-door versions, as it signals their commitment to racing and the sacrifice of practicality for the purity of speed and sport.

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Manufacturers prefer 3-door variants to go motor racing in because of reasons of structural rigidity and decreased weight.

The BTCC with the Astra and Integra proved that.

i dont think that with todays roll cages,and all the work they done at chassis, wll have any difference the rigidity among 3-5 doors cars.

In my opinion the 3D is still better basis in principle as the door weight more than the bodyshell covering the same area. Also the door thanks to it's weight rise the center of gravity and the inertia of the car. I know we speak about very small differences but that's what motorsport was always about. I guess the decision to use 5D was driven by marketing but maybe there's some other reason.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

In my opinion the 3D is still better basis in principle as the door weight more than the bodyshell covering the same area. Also the door thanks to it's weight rise the center of gravity and the inertia of the car. I know we speak about very small differences but that's what motorsport was always about. I guess the decision to use 5D was driven by marketing but maybe there's some other reason.

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I won't comment the techincal side since I've not the basis. But considering valid your argument in that issue, if a marketing manager decided to use 5 doors for a marketing reason he should be sent to work with stones in the other Korea.

The 5 door may provide better access in service, I remember they said that when Subaru switched from 3 door to 5. If it's true or not I don't know but it may be a factor to consider.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

In my opinion the 3D is still better basis in principle as the door weight more than the bodyshell covering the same area. Also the door thanks to it's weight rise the center of gravity and the inertia of the car. I know we speak about very small differences but that's what motorsport was always about. I guess the decision to use 5D was driven by marketing but maybe there's some other reason.

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From what's been started by Nandan himself it was due to the homologation schedule and deadline; they just didn't have the time to wait for the 3-door Coupe considering the time needed for testing and submission to the FIA/WRC motorsport authorities.

But now that the 3-door has been out for a year, I would hope they switch over since they still have time before the homologation deadline passes and begin testing with the Coupe hatchback for the 2017 year.

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Dumb question: Could they use a fake rear door instead? I mean bodywork that is shaped like a door. That way you would have the advantages of a three door model with the looks of a five door.

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Originally Posted by i20WRCoupe

From what's been started by Nandan himself it was due to the homologation schedule and deadline; they just didn't have the time to wait for the 3-door Coupe considering the time needed for testing and submission to the FIA/WRC motorsport authorities.

But now that the 3-door has been out for a year, I would hope they switch over since they still have time before the homologation deadline passes and begin testing with the Coupe hatchback for the 2017 year.

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Thanks. That sounds like the most plausible option. Considering that the new i20 was originally scheduled for homologation in early 2015 it is most likely true. The 3D production has not only lower volume but started also later than the 5D. In that case I belive it was impossible to have the required number of cars in early 2015. The later delay in development could not be considered at the start of the process. All sounds reasonable to me.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Thanks. That sounds like the most plausible option. Considering that the new i20 was originally scheduled for homologation in early 2015 it is most likely true. The 3D production has not only lower volume but started also later than the 5D. In that case I belive it was impossible to have the required number of cars in early 2015. The later delay in development could not be considered at the start of the process. All sounds reasonable to me.

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The 3-door can be homologated for 2017 if they choose to do so. Dimensions and wheelbases for all of these models (i20, Polo, Fiesta & DS3) are the exact same as their 5-door counterparts so I can't imagine them staying with the 5-door models, unless there's a reason I'm just not privy to.

The only thing I can think of is what others have already surmised: marketing (5-door models are much higher in terms of sales figures and production) or convenience line someone stated in service tents. Although, I just can't reconcile the fact that easier access outweighs the chassis rigidity of 2 less doors and subsequently, better performance, which is the goal of any motorsports teams.

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both the skoda s2000 and the r5 are 5-door cars. so is the mini.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

both the skoda s2000 and the r5 are 5-door cars. so is the mini.

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I was under the impression Skoda no longer produces 3-door Fabias (what S2000 is based on) and thus can not be homologated for WRC competition. R5 rally variants may benefit from more popular, 5-door production models as they are more easily attainable to the general population but again teams competing at the WRC level are trying to shave tenths of a second off their stage times and as such should be utilizing every available means to do that.

Hyundai mass produces 3-door i20s so why not use it?

There has never been a 3 door Fabia.

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Originally Posted by mm1

There has never been a 3 door Fabia.

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I rest my case :)

Are we going to start calling every three door hatchback a 'coupe' now?

Of course not but it's Hyundai itself who calls it as such ;)

http://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/ne...tion-i20-coupe

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Of course not but it's Hyundai itself who calls it as such ;)

http://www.hyundai.co.uk/new-cars/ne...tion-i20-coupe

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It reminds me of when BMW called that hideous three door 1 series saloon a 'coupe'

French magazine, Rallyes seems to think Hyundai will also go with the 3-door version (bottom portion)...

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The headlights, bumper openings are definitely those belonging to the Coupe version of Hyundai's i20. Let's hope they know more than we do.

Ever heard of the description "artist illustration"?

Another render of the 3-door coupe...
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I can't imagine Michel Nandan and Hyundai would still go with the 5-door version in 2017 when they have a manufactured (and homologated if they so choose) version with 2 less doors, a more rigid chassis and better aesthetics to boot.

Hyundai Motorsport ‏@HyundaiWRC

We don’t have a number 1 driver in the team but @DaniSordo is our ‘nominated’ driver for 2016 to meet the #WRC regulations. #HyundaiWRC

12 minute long Video interview with Thierry Neuville (in German) at bottom of this page http://brf.be/sport/955660/

so now we know. they won't be a real threat to vw. congratulations to ogier for his 4th world title.

It's too early to judge..

Exactly. Monte is a special event. They were lost on the first day but got better and better, Sordo made very good times today and Neuville seems have his mojo back. We will see what Paddon can do with it.

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

We will see what Paddon can do with it.

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Flying in Vargasen..:p

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Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono

Flying in Vargasen..:p

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Speaking of Vargåsen, I'm sure that the guys at Hyundai are absolutely determined that one of their drivers get the Colin's Crest award again this year. :D

http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122662

It's looking more and more like Hyundai will be homologating the 5-door version for their 2017 and beyond campaigns.

I think, a very poor decision...

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