Hmmm, I remember a certain Mr. Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Hmmm, I remember a certain Mr. Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Hmm okay so forget my Duval in the post above :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Josti
are you all too young to remember the Safari rally?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Had the opposition had mechanical problems it wouldnt have been a great win, but I think how he drove and kept his head as so many top guys lost theirs it is a great win IMO and certainly one he can be very proud of, some rallys are won with balls, some with brains, and anyone who got round this event without superrally can go home proudQuote:
Originally Posted by studiose
Agreed, rallying isn't only about outright speed. That's an undeniable rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
Great to see an event that is not easy to get to the finish, as I keep saying it is not about going flat out everywhere as most seem to think :confused: It seems the problems the organisers faced were outwith their control so they can't really be blamed - but for me this event should be more closer to summer and just before Acropolis.
Well done to Mikko, good drive from him!
But I am so glad I did not go because I would not taken a jacket :D
Prob...Novikov, Latvala was 22, Østberg 23Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
If you register for points you have to pay around 3000 EUR more for each registered event and you have to take part in all nominated events, otherwise you are facing penalty. So, minimal costs, minimal risks.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Novikov has explained why, and Østberg had various technical problems such as engine trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
You can be sure that Mads had tried if he could.
I think it's really good thing that we have different kind of rallyes. For me rally is going from A to B as fast as possible regardless of the conditions or overall length in a real world roads.
Bring Safari back to WRC, no matter what Loeb or Block thinks ;)
In this event, as in other rally, drove the winner as fast as the surface allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
In line with what he must do on stages in the Monte when there is snow.
You've even said that, if people want racing, go to a track.
Hirvonen showed how smart he is. Not the fastest driver, but maybe the wisest. Kinda like Button in F1.
But he did register for Mexico which means he has to register for at least 7 other events, so it's bit weird not to keep being registered for the events you have entered. Plus there are money paid for scoring Manu points so €3000 is nothing compared with what you can gain financially from those points.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
I think Østberg put in his entry to late for this one to be registered for Manu Points.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
It was ogier in France 2011Quote:
Originally Posted by User
Novikov now is the youngest, Giraudet now the oldest on podium.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
I talk to Evgeny Novikov now by phone and he said 'Thank you for all supporters!' :)
the difference between racing and rallying is a lot more than just speed...you don't exactly call Finland or NZ racing...do you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 2
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Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
I'm glad Russia has a driver with such potential, and he seems a nice fellow too!
If Novikov has the funds in 2-3 years he could be very easily considered for a works drive...
I must say though that Giraudet does a fantastic job with him so far this year...i get a feeling his progression is due to Dennis in a large extend.
Absolutely not, but I like rallying, even when it's not just talking about speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
My ideal championships, four endurance (one extreme endurance as Safari and 3 more or less endurance) 4 asphalt (with different types of asphalt), 2 on snow, 4 on good gravel roads.
It would provide a great champion.
A good result for Paddon after the dissapointment of day two
Disagree entirely. Østberg in my opinion will never make it at the very top level. He simply doesn't have the pace except on snow, and on tarmac he is nowhere. He never wins stages on pace alone, and is much worse than Loeb, Mikko, JML, Petter, Sordo and Ogier. And also Meeke and Mikkelsen if you look outside the WRC. He will always be an average driver and maybe a solid number 2 for a young team or new manufacturer, but I would put my house on him never winning a rally which isn't on snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iskald
Sorry if this sounds too negative - great result for him today, but he was brilliant at surviving and not pushing and thereforeon 95% of rallies this isn't enough. JML, Petter, Sordo and Loeb don't all have big problems on every rally!
For me the questionmark is different...Both Citroens have a shot at the title Loeb with his speed and Mikko with his consistency...With JML nearly out of contention,can Petter bring the fight to his rivals???
I cant see Mikko being allowed to be a world champion, unless Loeb is miles behind everybody at the end of the year. Or he breaks his leg!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho!
I doubt any of these things will happen. I think JML is way out of title contention now, you could probably get away with messing one event up, but when youre up against Loeb, you have to be perfect from start to finish.
JML has now messed up 3 events, its just way too much to pull back. Its really frustrating, because I had him down to do much better this year. Where has all of the consistency gone since the last half of last season??
Just as well MW has Petter to pick up the pieces after JML has unfortunately crashed again.
One more thing aswel, I bet Loeb spent most of this weekend on his back laughing and celebrating. Imagine his dissapointment when he crashed... and the relief when JML and Petter also crashed! I bet he was clapping his hands!
I don't think Loeb's mentality is to feel happy and shout it loud when opponents have any kind of problems :s
Seb was at Le Castellet with his race team - he was pretty focused on that :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
But - a couple of years ago our Mr Loeb messed up at least four events and became champ anyway, with a little tactical help from MW, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by tfp
Correct me if I'm wrong but , i feel that Østberg has done his career a bit too alone to develope the last bit of speed to be a top driver. Loeb, Hirvonen, Ogier, Sordo, Solberg all had experienced team mates at their beginings at WRC level, and even Novikov and Tanak have good advice from Giraudet and Märtin
Sounds a bit like Hirvonen, especially in his earlier years. Besides all, consistency counts a lot in modern WRC and Östberg is not far from the top of the leaderboard with decent points already in the bag, despite actually missing one rally! Even if you suggest that he isn't fast enough to be a pace-setter, he could certainly be a solid #2 by collecting a decent amount of points by the end of a season. Mads is still young and I think there is more to come from him if funding doesn't become an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Back from Algarve and from a very intense rally.
First day started with Ourique stage in the night. Completely dark with a bit of rain but quite dry surface (where we were standing). Plenty of drivers had problems with lights, some had ramps completely broken, some had ramps with only one or 2 lights working... Quite tricky and narrow place, Tannak from all looked to be more comfortable in the night wich I found interesting. Didn't even see Loeb, Latvala looked unsteady in that place and Solberg very fast.
Second day we watched at Tavira in extremely wet conditions, all looked quite steady minus the Ford's ofcourse, and Sordo. Dani was out of this world, the new car seems to be better but almost everywhere I saw Dani this weekend he had a moment. Almost went off in front of me, however that didn't stop him from continuing pushing way behind the limit sometimes.
Second loop didn't need to be cancelled, atleast the first and second stages, much better conditions than in the morning. From what I understood one chef marshall the organizers were afraid the slippery conditions would caught out more drivers and the rally would not have cars to run the next day.
Third day was in Vascão in what was perhaps the best place I have ever seen. Jump, followed by downhill section, then extremely wide slow corner, almost flatout 5 gear and then narrow hairpin. Sordo passed by without codriver window. In this Place Nasser looked nice in the damp, second loop was almost dry. Today we stayed by the service park.
Hirvonnen proved in this rally that he his one of the smartest drivers, nice rythm without taking crazy mistakes. Novikov with smart aproach aswell.
Looking forward to Argentina.
EDIT: Special thanks to BluuFord from preventing a terrible cold on all of us, you were right ;) .
I see your point, but I think Mikko, Petter and Sordo are much better options personally, and until there are more manufacturers then Ostberg doesn't have a role in a manufacturer team in my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
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Originally Posted by Psycho!
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Originally Posted by Francis44
Good report, I think you have to laugh in such conditions or you would cry :) :laugh: :up:
I laughed out loud at this :rotflmao: ^Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Very true :p :D
Loeb has received new award introduced by FIA!
Today, after the rally, Sebsatian Loeb has received new award introduced by FIA.
Jaen Totd: "I am very pleased to announce new award for our WRC rallies. We need to highlight some drivers who have shown extremely spectacular driving to us but has not reached to the podium of real rally itself. There is similar award in IRC already (Colin McRae Flat out Trophy) and we decided that we need similar awards. Today we have concluded new deal with toilet and kitchen paper producer to sponsor this new award called "King of Rolls"!"
King of Rolls spoke person: "We are extremely proud to sponsor the new award. I watched Sebsatians roll from TV and one second later I reached to the idea to offer such kind of sponsorship for WRC. The perosn who does the most rolls during the whole WRC season is going to receive 1000 kg of our rolls (note: it can be devided between kitchen and toilet paper rolls). Each round "rolling" winner receives 10 kg of rolls"
Sebsatian Loeb: "I am extremely proud to receive such kind of award. I have young child at home and all the kitchen and toilet paper is very valuable for us." SL. also added "It will be hard competition for the season award. I know that Noivkov with his numerous rolls in Mexico has got a big lead which is very hard to beat. Also JML ha some rolls on his account. I have learned that JML had numerous rolls in Portugal some years ago, so I hope to reach and agreement with JML to learn such a skill!"
Next award will be given in Argentina.
Picture from the award ceremony:
http://www.tlu.ee/~annu/King%20of%20...%20podium.jpeg