You forgot to say anything unfavorable about Andreas M, SlowSon.
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You forgot to say anything unfavorable about Andreas M, SlowSon.
yes I had him in my mind indeed. this boy had some strange illusion that he could and must compete with the superior team-leader, like Meek last year, but reasonably failed at the end. I strongly hope VW will send him back in village events and choose Kevin Abbring for the first team. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 2
Latvala,wery good! and Hirvonen making it an Finland 1-2 Congrats to you guys :)
Petter still has his best start of an season ever, roll on Mexico win ;)
5 Norwegians in top 15, four in top 10... not to bad!
7:0 with us yesterday in ice-hockey :D By the way the highest loss for our team since the split with Slovakia...Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Neither Ogier, nor Mikkelsen are registred for SWRC. PG IS winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
That would be like when Decca Records said no too Beatles :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
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Hold your horses, I'm waiting terribly fast speed from JM...Quote:
Originally Posted by Co-FIN
(Yeah, I know that I will be quoted and my phrase continued in some way :D )
only 0,2mm longer studs.Quote:
Originally Posted by GINE
Congrats to Latvala,Mikko for their well deserved 1-2.
Time for champagne for our Finn mates!!
Loeb not good,but he was never so good at this rally.When you push over your limits,and don t feel comfortable=exit from road.Same scenario as Latvala hunting him at gravel events.
Petter Solberg not good.Factory driver,enough tests,powerfull engine,no money searching for his own team,but results same as last year.I ll wait for some more rallies to have a better conclusion,but i doubt it ll be different.
Novikov good progress,but they are only 2 rallies.Lets wait.
Ostberg show us the reason he was competing for win last year.Definetely start at better position last year.
Ogier very good,but i d like to see the battle with Mikkelsen till the end without team orders.PGA very fast and inside the road.Excellent for him.
roll on Mexico!
lololololololololololololololololololololololololo lolololololololQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Day 3 photos added: Autosport : MS - Rally Sweden (SWRC)
We have lost too many finals to your team Mirek :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Of course, especially after PG told me that with Impreza the difference between N4 and R4 is rather small. I just feel it's not good to make conclusions from day 3 when many are cruising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Co-FIN
Latvala - very good, only mistake probably not his fault, would have imo won even if Loeb didn't land in snowbank
Hirvonen - good, but I was expecting him to do even better, after all this is his best rally of the year and Citroen should be better than Ford or?
Ostberg - showed that last year wasn't only due to road position, let's hope he does better on gravel raliles than last year. Has a plan to improve on tarmac.
Solberg - a bit worse than expected, without the puncture he'd most likely keep 3rd, but made 2 other mistakes (spin and stall) early as well, speedwise clearly behind the Fins
Novikov - very good, same speed as when he was crashing.. just without the crashing
Loeb - quite a disappointment, seemed to be slower than Latvala even before his first mistake, then added 2 more mistakes. While in the past he'd charge and win most stages now he "cruised" for 6th. Either he didn't had the speed, or the motivation, or both.
Sandell - was expecting him to fight with Henning
Prokop - very good, yes fast events like this suit him but still much better than a lot of people expected
Neuville - learning, well yes, but at a rather slow pace. First snow rally and first time in Sweden though... even Loeb was 17th first time in WRC in Sweden.
Tanak - moments with ok speed (around Novikov) and lot of mistakes, continues to show that experience is needed for a factory seed, raw talent isn't enough to just jump in
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Ogier - ok, strangely concerned that someone actually might be fast as well. One could start to wonder whether he thinks too much of himself... oh wait he said Loeb was worse than him and only good due to team orders :)
Mikkelsen - a bit better than expected, overall probably a bit slower than Ogier, but then again Ogier was top 3 WRC speed trough last year.
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As for the championship it's looking interesting
Loeb vs Latvala 1:1
Hirvonen vs Solberg 1:1
he was less than a second behind him and gainning all the time (10 sec penalty excluded) before his mistake...but thank you for providing us with the bitter norwegian point of view...i will cherish it in my closet...for ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ridder
Thank you Mr Ogier, that felt good....
well, where to start?Quote:
Originally Posted by ridder
solberg: clearly slower than the finns? do we read the same lists with stagetimes? he's equal, 1 spin and 1 stall was the difference in time, exept the punckture. and remember, he is starting to know the car and the team, and he is also feel the pressure that he has to finish with good teampoints. thats his job, more or less.
ogier: is a crybaby and a wimp. he is actually so little sympatic that i realy hope he doesn't win anything. sad, but true.
mikkelsen: equal speed with the wimp, he has shown great mature throughout whole weekend, and a great face for a manufacturer. he is someone kids can look up on, and a good ambassador for the sport. and the teamorders was clear from the start, get to finish in one part.
What did you expect more from PG? Winning the event overall in S2000 car? :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
oh'no, another moron.......
exactly, in a proton! this is good performance!Quote:
Originally Posted by pucky54
Tend to disagree. The way how Petter always picks punctures, spins, offs etc. is not accidental. It is his way of driving which cause these problem (a lot spectacular though), not some kind of extreme bad luck every event.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Thats why I put the word "slightly". I expected to be between Brynildsen and Prokop and of course beating the first S2000 despite securing the points. He has been in Rally Sweden 7 times (and several other snow rallies) and driving this car since a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by pucky54
But he was with a car which in more than three years of its existence didn't achieve more than few good stage times. I think that he did more than well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
And I forgot to mention that after the zero from RMC he MUST have finished and not to crash in a hunt for someone who doesn't take his points away.
I think your views are slightly bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Solberg was slower than the Finns. Only slightly, but he was.
Mikkelsen was slow than Ogier, but again not by much. To be honest Mikkelsen has been driving at WRC or IRC for a long time now so should be as quick as Ogier if he is to be the next big thing and worth of the 2nd VW seat. Mikkelsen 1st WRC rally in a WRC car was in 2006 Rally GB, for Ogier it was 2008 Rally GB. Plus AM has been driving the Fabia S2000 for a few years now.
Just a little point. Fabia he drove now is somewhat different car. VW development already in...
When it comes to crying Norwegians are the new Finns...
Reminds me a lot the reactions of the finnish rally fans when Loeb started to dominate...first the tears, then they just don't bother with the sport...and now that Loeb has maximum 2 years left they are back again...
No matter how you want things to look the truth is there... Ladycup champion has A LOT to learn to be able to stand in the same team as Ogier...there will be no other rallies like sweden for him...the imaginary contracts he signs with the team VW do not count....he has big potential but things can go wrong if he loses focus.
As for Peter, his job was to be ahead of Hirvonen, he failed...and no excuses this time...Hirvonen had the same experience in a new car as him yet he rose to the occasion.
But also the first time the Proton has run on snow and ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Is it for good or bad compared the previous Fabia he has driven?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
You mean to criticize Loeb is apparently unforgivable. I do not understand that what Ridder writes, seems that he is a bitter Norwegian, I do not know if he's Norwegian either.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
But that Loeb's attempt to hang on the The Finns, resulting in "of the road", is probably just bad luck when it comes to him, but if others do the same, they are just bad drivers.
And that the Ogier could use the 7 more tires than Andreas is probable only in favor of Andreas and against Ogier, otherwise I probably sound like a bitter Scandinavian.
You must be NOT in disguise. It´s a joke when you tell AM to go back to village rallies. Only NOT would express himself like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
And expected more from PG? What do you mean? Please grow up.
I'm not the one to ask... I just noticed in Monte that it has different dampers and at least different cut-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Has Al attyah landed yet ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jafry
My conclusions:
Latvala: A deserved win. He was fast as usual, but solid as not always usual. A good result to Ford too in a rally that is one of the bigest wining chances of this team.
Hirvonen: Always considered Hirvonen as a good no 2. This was one of the few opportunities to be in front of Loeb.
Ostberg: Good rally like in 2011. A snow specialist
And a few more...
P. Solberg: With no lucky today. Solberg will have a dificult year as a number 2, because their conditions are one step behind the ones that Latvala have.
Novikov: With solid perfomances this year. Let's see if with more speed in the future can mantain this solid perfomances.
Loeb: Made a mistake like Latvala made on MC. But he was luckier than Latvala, because he was able to be back to the stage. And nobody call him stupid has a lot of forum membres called Latvala on MC...
Sandell: The real value of a Prodrive's Mini. And believe me, the Mini's from Prodrive are really better than the others.
Ogier: Even in the Skoda he is as faster as was in Citroen, but he is better than Loeb because made mistakes, and we love to feel that the good drivers are humans too.
PG Andersson: The Proton is really better in terms of perfomance and reliability. And this was PG's rally.
Armindo Araújo: As a portuguese i have to comment Armindo's rally. Not impressive. I expected more, but that Minis from MI are some steps behind Prodrive ones. This shouldn't happen with a team that represents a manufacturer, but Prodrive are the ones who have the material and engineers. Let's see of we have good news in Mexico
Agree, there's only one difference. Mikkelsen was driving his first rally in a WRC when he was in a age of 18, Ogier when he was 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
i never said that Loebs mistakes was due to bad luck...they were driver mistakes...i was refering to the quote about him being slower than latvala...if you check the times he would LEAD the rally before his mistake and without the 10 second penalty (which was because of service not driver error)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 2
critising someone based on true facts is acceptable...
Loebs critisism is that in this rally he cannot push to the maximum and avoid driving errors...thats why the only time he won it Gronholm had to retire...but to say that he is slower than the current finns is not accurate....when he was in the fight he was posting top times.
OMG we fell down to the amount of tires, next time it will be Ogier's breakfast or hotel room which gave him the crushing advantage over Mikelsen's better known surface and car! Grow up, norwegian fanatics, please! Its not pity to lose, its pity to excuse with ridiculous reasons!
Does age matter though? Experience does more. AM has always been in a WRC car, his 1st events were driving Focus WRCs in the BTRDA (UK). Ogier's first taste of the top level was in 2008, previously he'd been in FWD cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Luijk
About Ogier/Mikkelsen before the rally i said that Mikkelsen will be the one to do the chasing...i was once more proved correct (how odd ???)
By saying team orders were applied and other ridiculous stuff to suupport a driver you just give him excusues...you can see how this tactic worked for P.Solberg so i suggest you try and avoid it from now on...when you fail at something try and find what went wrong not excuses to your failure...that way you improve rather than sit on your ass and let the yes men handle things with propaganda without putting out hard work.
mikkelsen did a GREAT job in a rally he knows very very well and in a car he knows very very well....Ogier for now proved he is on a different league and that will show on the next events as well...Its up to mikkelsen to put his head down, grasp the opportunity of a VW drive and deliver us the next Peter Solberg (in his prime) when it comes to driving and not excuses....
calling people names and other stuff does not make your drivers go faster...
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Originally Posted by JAM
I agree with that but i say more: The less experience of Armindo in this road type (Like almost all non-Scandinavians) and the poor testing program are a big handicap. Armindo may not be a championship contender but surely he can do more...