Rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2012

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Originally Posted by JAM

Different why? These were the only two situations where someone clearly made a wrong choice with important handicap in terms of time.

One time mistake from Citroen, the other time mistake from Ford. 1-1 is the result in terms of mistakes. Nothing seriously important.

I'm talking about this Monte Carlo only.

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read again my post.
Points are not given by 1-1 mistakes,but by time they lost/gain.

Did the Monte really have to be 5 days long, not that I would call a single stage in a day really a day. The number of stages a day is draging it out.

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Originally Posted by MR666

Did the Monte really have to be 5 days long, not that I would call a single stage in a day really a day. The number of stages a day is draging it out.

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It's defenitely not good for work spending three days mostly on the pc or listening to stage ends :p

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Originally Posted by driveace

Who is preparing the Proton,s as they are Yorkshire registered?
I can fully understand the problem , that Loeb,makes all the others look silly,but he does have accidents occasionally,and its OPEN to all drivers with an International Competition Licence

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Mellors Elliott Motorsport, Bakewell near Sheffield

WT

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Originally Posted by MR666

Did the Monte really have to be 5 days long, not that I would call a single stage in a day really a day. The number of stages a day is dragging it out.

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Indeed. When I hear 'five day rally' I think of the RAC from 20 years ago. And to be honest I'd like to see a few events like that; part of the unique 'soul' Todt was was talking about.

I just looked that there was 0 retirements today. Has it happened before.. in Monte? Anywhere? And it seems that the maximum number of cars allowed to pass Turini is almost exactly matched! (only first 60 cars are allowed to start and there are 59 left :-))

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

Indeed. When I hear 'five day rally' I think of the RAC from 20 years ago. And to be honest I'd like to see a few events like that; part of the unique 'soul' Todt was was talking about.

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I was lucky to compete on the 1981 RAC (Rally GB) we started in Chester on the Saturday morning. Ist major stop was on Sunday night after Lake District and Kielder stages. Hafren forest stage in wales was 50ks long and run at 3.00am. That was a 5 day event.

For sure the people who said there were only 10 or 15 cars left at the finish, didn't have it good.

Maybe now more people will realise that no SupeRally is a good idea as there are much cars left into the final stages of the rally.

When is Eurosport coverage tonight?

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Originally Posted by Barreis

When is Eurosport coverage tonight?

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in 95 Minutes

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Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza

Maybe now more people will realise that no SupeRally is a good idea as there are much cars left into the final stages of the rally.

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It would have been a totally different story with snow on the stages. :D

Update Day 3 Photos Rallye du Monte-Carlo 2012

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-conten...2/img_8297.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-conten...12/mg_8706.jpg

Any chance of ice or snow tomorrow?

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Any chance of ice or snow tomorrow?

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No, Summer arrives tomorrow.

Any of you think Mikko can catch Petter tomorrow?

The biggest suprise for me is that Novikov is still up and running ??? :eek:

The biggest surprise for me is Delacour, 2 second fastest stage times ina rally so far.

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogalle...3&fseason=2012http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogaleri...af6ab3faf3.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogaleri...f428297d06.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogaleri...23acf251bf.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogaleri...f95e30abf1.jpg


More photos from DAY 3 HERE

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Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza

For sure the people who said there were only 10 or 15 cars left at the finish, didn't have it good.

Maybe now more people will realise that no SupeRally is a good idea as there are much cars left into the final stages of the rally.

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LOL

you draw that conclusion from 1 TARMAC event.... good job

Nice video with moment of Bouffier
Monte-Carlo 2012 after day 3 Impact-rallye vidéo - Vidéo Dailymotion

PGA spin
https://www.youtube.com/embed/CW7PoRVD_ac


rain ss12
https://www.youtube.com/embed/I1kVMCNStfU

Campana u turn
https://www.youtube.com/embed/2I1Jrqumolo

Ogiers exit from another camera
https://www.youtube.com/embed/NkVpVhZWJWk

Now highlights here: Eurosport em directo no Tvdez.com - ESTADIOFUTEBOL.COM

Photos from the rainy and sunny third leg HERE
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogaleri...c079a83fd6.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogaleri...bc97f7c88a.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogaleri...3bb030bfb8.jpg

Todays coverage was very nice, ES are starting to take control... the ususal ES commentator is back :D and the footage were also nicer...

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Originally Posted by Jajá

Totally agreed, ZequeArgentina! Nobre is there just because he has the budget to do so. Rafael Tulio, Ulysses Bertholdo, Edio Fuchter, Luis Tedesco, Guilherme Spinelli, all of them are way much better than Nobre, but the are budget-less. And due to that I say I'm impressed that Nobre got so far with no issues.

BTW, looking forward to go to Argentina this year... Do you know whether the monster stage "El Durazno-Ambul" (or vice-versa) has accessible spectator sports?

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From the ones you mention Iwould say Tulio.
Futcher was good, but how old is him?

I will let you know by private message about El Durazno stage, let me check this year lenght.

What I understand is that Ellegy formerly know as Cricketsfilm is doing a part of the coverage of Eurosport or maybe almost eveything that I don't know. But I know he's working now very close with Eurosport!

Neuvilles & Merksteijns exits
https://www.youtube.com/embed/fancsWAVbh0

Is there any live online coverage of the power stage on Sunday?

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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest

Is there any live online coverage of the power stage on Sunday?

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There's no coverage at all.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

But is that the biggest mistake?
Regardez:
FIA president Jean Todt, a firm advocate of longer rallies, said the length of events needed further debate.

"The Monte Carlo Historic Rally has 320 entries," said Todt. "It starts in two weeks and still with the concentration part. Last year, some started from Marrakech, some from Stockholm and if you speak with some people they say it was outstanding to have this concentration [run to the actual start of the event] which was lasting two, three or four days.

"And now if we have the [WRC] rally which is lasting more than three days then some people complain. We have to figure out which is the best option. We will move in the best direction, but we will do this by allowing each rally to have its own soul."

A little emphasis for the points seemingly lost..
80 something cars vs 320.....which do you think is a bigger event?

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Last year in IRC there were actually 300+ entries also but ACM didn't expect that when they created timetable and service zones so they accepted only some 120. Of course part of the reason was no entry fee for a 100 year anniversary of RMC but still...

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Ford team chief Malcolm Wilson added: “Stage 11 worked really well for us, but on stage 12, the conditions had deteriorated quite a lot since the [safety] crews had gone through it. Petter had a huge moment very early on, resulting in a 100-metre slide - as similarly happened to some other drivers - and after that, he sensibly decided to just get through to the end of the stage. He wanted to protect his podium rather than risk anything rash. Going forward, stage 13 this afternoon is likely to have rain, and of course we've still got the famous passes through the Col de Turini to go, so I very much believe anything can still happen."

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That is not true from what I saw at the last part of SS12.

Nothing wrong with the duration of the rally.
Just what happend prior to the event had those negative
impact as a whole (no live coverage), and the weather itself.
An impact , that could be well ignored if part of the stages were snow-covered.
Picture it.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

That is not true from what I saw at the last part of SS12.

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And you saw what?

So what to say about today...

SS12 some 7 km before finish (cca 1 km after they go to small road). That was the craziest conditions I ever saw in any rally! There was a thick layer of ice with ruts and rain was falling down on that, so water flew in ruts and the top ice was so slippery that people were crashing there while walking (and I'm absolutely sure it was like that when ice crews were going through). As a result it was quite terrible to watch, all 4WD except few did it very slowly in ruts without any sliding. 2WD were mostly more spectacular. Petter had some small off or spin few corners before us. We could hear that. This was for sure much more exciting to follow on internet results than live.

SS13 a hairpin just after Laborel. Not much to say, nice spot to watch but a place which actually says nothing about performance.

Our video will be online hopefully later tonight.

In those poor times with no live broadcasts,
live comments are another way to get the feeling of the atmosphere around the stage.
Priceless.

If more people are able to write up real-time experiences
that would be something like a live-text broadcast for nowdays
and a history book for times to come.
I'll publish the e-book.
Patented! :D

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Originally Posted by danon

If more people are able to write up real-time experiences
that would be something like a live-text broadcast for nowdays
and a history book for times to come.
I'll publish the e-book.
Patented! :D

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Maybe you and Hartsuvuori could write an e-book, he spoke of writing a book about famous stages a while ago! :)

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Originally Posted by Mirek

So what to say about today...

SS12 some 7 km before finish (cca 1 km after they go to small road). That was the craziest conditions I ever saw in any rally! There was a thick layer of ice with ruts and rain was falling down on that, so water flew in ruts and the top ice was so slippery that people were crashing there while walking (and I'm absolutely sure it was like that when ice crews were going through). As a result it was quite terrible to watch, all 4WD except few did it very slowly in ruts without any sliding. 2WD were mostly more spectacular. Petter had some small off or spin few corners before us. We could hear that. This was for sure much more exciting to follow on internet results than live.

SS13 a hairpin just after Laborel. Not much to say, nice spot to watch but a place which actually says nothing about performance.

Our video will be online hopefully later tonight.

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On SS 12 I was few hundred metres later than Mirek. I was in a corner which was full of ice. All WRC cars were driving really slowly, lot of 2WD cars were faster in this passage (I was making own timing). From WRC only Prokop and surprisingly Nobre were spectacular. But other drivers were much more interesting - Andersson, both Burri's, Melicharek, Fontaine, Robert, Chardonnet...

Bad and good tire choice and the feelings alone are big factors.
Good job, Pluto. :up:

While watching a video I noticed a drawback
about the duration of Rally Monte Carlo 2012.
Can you imagine what will those superstitious
among the pilots will look like in five days not touching a razor blade, no shave at all... :D