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This year in F1 Williams tested a rear wing sinilar to thise seen between 1993-4 - absolutely illegal but sometimes testing with something illegal can afford you to gain understanding for use with a future homologated designQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Nååå grabben det har varit 40 år sen jag bodde där men det lämnade ett betydesfult intryck i skallen. Där lärde jag mycket.
Även om nuförtiden jag låter som 'anon från Österbotin eller tom tär Finlandsvenkar'.
What I'm suggesting is hardware, 'stuff' is less important than the attitude of those using it..in reality.
The situation at toyota right now... brace yourselves for the flop kids.
http://i.imgur.com/WPuWqOI.png
People with sense and clear sight in VW. Well he designed the car so I guess he is the person that has the most of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by traxx
I still think they are going to be mighty competitive though...
Also removing the slots on the rear wing should be a small issue for Toyota.
They can use jokers but selecting a supplier of dampers should be correct right away. I don’t how many jokers (tarmac / gravel) would be needed for a swap of supplier.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Of course it can’t be the only reason to choose a supplier but it helps getting started with the work. Also if the chosen supplier isn’t a supplier to any other manufacturer you can maybe get better service as a key customer. And as I said earlier the tight schedule maybe also a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Someone finally listened at Toyota.
Social media channels:
https://www.facebook.com/TOYOTAGAZOORacingWRC
https://twitter.com/TGR_WRC?lang=en
https://www.instagram.com/TGR_WRC/
Toyota update piece on WRC.com - http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/july-...7--12-12-.html
Probably somewhere in between this and the rumours lies the real truth as to how well development is going. I hope it is going as well as they imply.
Makinen has said this, two car team in 2017 with a possible third car being entered.
Car being tested now is a Mule, 2015 with 2017 internals.
Evans, Tanak, Lappi, Tidemand and Suninen candidates for WRC drivers in 2017.
Announcement after Rally Germany.
So you believe that Tänak is the only current WRC driver who is candidate for TGR ?
I can tell you that there are others also...
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Hänninen for sure will drive some events!
tell then :p...Tänak i knew already some months ago that they started to negotiate.
Words from Makinen. Hanninen will continue his test driver role regardless.
Interesting developments, hopefully it is soon after Rally Germany. To put (a very rough) timescale on the driver line-up to me indicates some progress of late.Quote:
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Clearly isn't.Quote:
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Clearly Makinen is quoted saying this.
Sorry but it's obvious that it's not true.
Clearly you haven't been the most reliable source historically. Sorry for being rude but it's true.Quote:
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Why are you doing this to yourself ? You obviously have no clue about the sport in general, is it some kind of mental issue like a compulsive disorder ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Where excatly has he said these things? I've been following the Toyota WRC project quite closely from Finnish media (as it's probably been the best source so far) and I haven't come across these kind of statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Regarding the driver line-up, Tommi has said that Hänninen is "very likely to be one" (of the drivers) and has mentioned Esapekka Lappi by name as well. Also, it has been said the driver line-up would be revealed sometime after Rally Finland - that can basically mean anything from August to January.
The car obviously isn't 2015, that's quite easy to tell...
To be fair to Matt all this information came out in Motorsport News this morning. The post would have been more credible if he'd credited the source - rather than vaguely trying to pass things off as his own information.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Regarding it being a mule - Tom Fowler says they are using the current model Yaris as the base car for these tests, with a new model Yaris confirmed in time for next season. He said "it won't be a problem for the new car - underneath it's not so different". It's a 2015 Yaris on the outside, 2017 car inside. So it is a mule in that sense.
Those drivers were all mentioned by Makinen. He also says Hanninen will likely be kept on next year. Mikko Hirvonen is confirmed as joining the test team this week. But Mikko doesn't want a WRC drive.
So it's all true - put the pitchforks down ;)
Now I understand that it's two different things mixed together - stock base model and a WRC car. To put it in one sentence like GigiGalliNo1 did make it having a different meaning, i.e. that the test car is 2015 (TMR) car with different stuff inside which is clearly nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Are you really saying that there is not yet a Toyota Yaris 2017? Are they really testing a 2015 car with 2017 aerodynamics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I want to think I misunderstand
According to the article yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
"We're able to produce the current test cars using data for the 2017 road car, so on the outside the test car looks like a 2015 car, but on the inside it's a 2017 car."
So I don't think it's a big problem. The final car will just look visually different. It does sound like it's going to be more aero-focused than their rivals according to Fowler. He also said they used "nothing" from the TMG Yaris. And reiterated they are working closely with Cologne on the engine.
Yes... YOUR smartness,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
like a Skoda based Subaru...
http://4everstatic.com/pictures/674x...eza-139264.jpg
I actually got the opposite and definitely I misunderstood it. I thought that the INSIDE was like 2015 and the OUTSIDE (the car body) like 2017. It had no sense lol. Sorry. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Mirek, next time don't play it all knowing smart guy!!!
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Wellllll........ not this time. I just forgot to post that I read it in the magazine. I assumed a few of us here did already, I was merely just writing it on the forum for N.O.T to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Tom Fowler, not Making! Paragraphs and quotes look all over the place on digital versions of magazines; My mistake, but as you can see, I clearly forgot to state where I got the info from - the same with the new M-Sport Fiesta for 2017 being tested with 2016 externals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Here's a lot of the MN article, now published on Autosport: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...medium=twitter
Who would have thought back in January that Tanak and Evans would be the first names out of Makinen's mouth for Toyota seats haha.
Tänak needs same thing as Meeke, at least 2 year contract with either Toyota or M-sport or with an other team. Just look what it has done to Meeke and im sure it would be the same case with Tänak.
WRC 2017: Toyota boss Makinen closing on driver decision
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...medium=twitter
I agree that Ott would benefit from some stability. The issue is whether he's shown enough for that long-term deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
The reason I say that in relation to Toyota, is that I think what they will do is go for a pacey lineup to try to demonstrate the capabilities of the car next year. And by doing that they will be immediately looking to snare a bigger name in 2018 - so effectively one of the VW drivers.
In terms of upside I think you'd give Lappi a two-year deal for sure. Maybe even 3 if you rate him highly enough. I'd take Ott on a one-year deal with first option for 2018. And then have Hanninen run as a third car at select rounds.
I think that adds up to a really exciting lineup. Maybe also quite a big parts bill. But if the speed is there I think they will showcase it. Then the aim is to challenge for wins in 2018 from what Tommi says.
I don't know this for a fact but I'd also be amazed if Breen wasn't added to that list of Tommi's after his performance in Finland. For sure that interview will have been done earlier during the rally week.
Those cars (#1 #2 and #3) are all made from standard road cars taken from product line which is in France. In always exactly same that you see in Toyota stores, ie. complete road cars!
Those actual rally-cars will be made from new body-shells, not from complete cars.
Well that sounds reasonable to me since TMR built a car from scratch rather than continue what TMG did.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
What I thought was meant with 2015 mule car was that it was one of the TMGs with 2017 internals which makes about zero sense since it is known that TMR built the cars from scratch instead of continuing the work of TMG.
What does concern me is that the homologation is in October which is soon. At that point they need to know the dimensions and weight of almost every single component on the car and present this to the FIA. If Hyundai got a fine for a window, how many things won't there be on the body shell that TMR (and Ford which is in the same boat) will have to guess. Or is the homologation just for the moving parts so far?
Off the back of the Autosport article VF interviewed Tidemand about Toyota.
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/tidemand-aktuell-toyota
Saying all the right things, including that he'd be happy to spend another year in WRC2. A couple of rounds ago his stock was higher than Lappi I thought. But a mistake in Finland and then whatever happened to break the ball joint in Poland have not helped him. Key rallies at the moment for these WRC2 guys.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/wm/nach...-koenigsfigur/
This site now telling that Neuville is the main key . Autosport didn't mention him at all but I guess this is what user pantelaex meant when he said Tänak isn't the only WRC driver.
Yeah very interesting. It kind of reads like Tommi mentioned Thierry in the same press briefing? For sure Neuville is the key, in the sense that he's the biggest name driver available and currently occupies one of the best seats in the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I thought also Ostberg was in the mix, but maybe recent performances have put Toyota off?
Probably true. For me Ostberg is a 3rd driver if the rules let you run 3 cars, with the first 2 to finish scoring manufacturer points. A safe pair of hands to get points on the board. But if those aren't the rule, then IMHO, he shouldn't be on the Toyota list. More likely his budget goes to Malcom in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Tidemand had 3,8 secs on Sunninen before last stage. He went for it and didn´t succeed, however he showed great sisu and it might be a positive thing for him.
For powerstage Tidemand was suddenly first in the road. In my opinion that was his real problem while pushing.Quote:
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That’s even more confusing…why didn’t they get new shells from the production line to make the test cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Probably I’m wrong, but from Fowler’s words I’ve got the impression that Toyota is going to release a new Yaris model and TMR will be able to homologate a WRC version in time for next season, as they’ll use the mechanical components they’ve been testing (designed under 2017 rules).
Anyway, current TMR’s test cars and the previous ones from TMG can be quite different, but they’re both based on the 2010 production model, that got an Aygo inspired facelift in late 2014 (2015 MY), already incorporated on TMR’s cars.