F1 2010: Testing sessions thread

Interesting analysis from James Allen:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...plan-might-be/

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Originally Posted by wedge

And what about Monza? FI were on the money with their low DF package.

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yes, well pointed out.

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Originally Posted by wedge

You learn nothing useful about the car in the wet apart from tyres or pracitice/improving technique. Testing is about driving consistantly. You don't do that in the wet because you're constantly adapting to the conditions, altering your driving lines, braking, turn in, etc etc

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I think if all other 10 teams see some value in running in the wets, then surely they all don't think it is useless. or a waste of time. If that were the case then we would have seen no cars on track for hours on end. Besides I think there are other things to test on the car besides its grip levels in wet conditions. If anything it might help the drivers and team get more in-tuned with operating the car whilst in some sort of racing situation.

All sI'm saying is that 10 teams can't be wrong in their testing procedures.
Even Lotus got out on the track and did some good laps. I think Fauzy just got done a 17 lap stint, and with no power steering too. Still the team felt it useful to hit the tracks. i hope there is not something fundamentally wrong with the car, but I have a sneaky suspicion that not all is right with Virgin.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

btw Lotus is showing Virgin how its done. Get out there and do some laps.
Still don't understand their hesitance to actually run more than a few laps on the track.

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I think the fact that both teams have had issues (front wing, power steering) shows they have a lot to do, especially as they're both starting from scratch. Getting a car to the test is one thing, but getting everything to work is another, and getting it to work competitively is the next.

It'll be interesting to follow their progress over the next few days :s mokin:

I think it's nonsense that the session has to stop at a particular time. The track was drying up, and finally a bunch of cars came out and were improving on their times... and then BOOM... checkered flag. Wtf? Let them run until it's dark! Completely unnecessary to close the track.

Rant over.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

yes, well pointed out.



I think if all other 10 teams see some value in running in the wets, then surely they all don't think it is useless. or a waste of time. If that were the case then we would have seen no cars on track for hours on end. Besides I think there are other things to test on the car besides its grip levels in wet conditions. If anything it might help the drivers and team get more in-tuned with operating the car whilst in some sort of racing situation.

All sI'm saying is that 10 teams can't be wrong in their testing procedures.
Even Lotus got out on the track and did some good laps. I think Fauzy just got done a 17 lap stint, and with no power steering too. Still the team felt it useful to hit the tracks. i hope there is not something fundamentally wrong with the car, but I have a sneaky suspicion that not all is right with Virgin.

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No offence mate, but at this early stage, I feel that its wrong to suggest that especially with an entire test session to go at Barcelona after this one.

Dont forget though about Virgin in the first test at Jerez, di Grassi managed to get within 3.3 seconds of the fastest time on the first proper run with the car. And also remember, weeding out the early faults with the car is what pre-season testing is about isnt it?

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Originally Posted by maximilian

I think it's nonsense that the session has to stop at a particular time. The track was drying up, and finally a bunch of cars came out and were improving on their times... and then BOOM... checkered flag. Wtf? Let them run until it's dark! Completely unnecessary to close the track.

Rant over.

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I was just thinking the same thing!

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Originally Posted by DazzlaF1

...weeding out the early faults with the car is what pre-season testing is about isnt it?

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Looking at the times/laps it might be argued that it took Fauzy 76 laps to do a time just 0.6s quicker than Glock managed in just 10 laps. Then again we'd probably expect Glock to be the quicker driver. But even then we have no idea of fuel loads etc etc etc.

There are just too many variables to draw any conclusions yet.

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Originally Posted by DazzlaF1

No offence mate, but at this early stage, I feel that its wrong to suggest that especially with an entire test session to go at Barcelona after this one.

Dont forget though about Virgin in the first test at Jerez, di Grassi managed to get within 3.3 seconds of the fastest time on the first proper run with the car. And also remember, weeding out the early faults with the car is what pre-season testing is about isnt it?

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non taken.

but there is something obviously wrong if you can only do 10 laps in 6 hours.

What exactly are they doing in the garage?

Obviously something is not right. Because Lotus came in and hit the tracks problems et all.

I'm not hitting the panic button just yet, but getting a stronger and stronger suspicion that all might not be right with that car. Lotus probably did more laps today than Virgin in 5 test days. It is not about writing them off or sounding alarmist, but sincerely pointing out the oddity of such few laps ion track. It is obvious to me that something ain't right with the car, because if it was even 75% alright, it would be out there turning laps and posting some benchmark times.

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Originally Posted by DazzlaF1

And also remember, weeding out the early faults with the car is what pre-season testing is about isnt it?

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well it is only considered pre-season testing if you actually do some testing. As of right now, they spend most of theirtime in the garage rather than on the track. If the car can only do 8-10 laps before being hauled back into the garage for repairs, analysis, tuning, correction or whatever, then there is something fundamentally wrong with it right?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

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Looking at the times/laps it might be argued that it took Fauzy 76 laps to do a time just 0.6s quicker than Glock managed in just 10 laps. Then again we'd probably expect Glock to be the quicker driver. But even then we have no idea of fuel loads etc etc etc.

There are just too many variables to draw any conclusions yet.

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Yeah, but Lotus were on the track and had no power steering, But they were turning laps, getting valuable data, and generally getting used to "actual" wind, turbulence, cornering, aero efficiency, and undulation variables, with a 76 laps worth of telemetry to analyze.

I would love to know what exactly Virgin does in the garage for hours on end.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

Kimi's best results in 2009
3rd - Monaco - qualified 2nd
2nd in Hungary - qualified 7th
3rd in Europe - qualified 6th
1st in belgium - qualified 6th
3rd in italy - qualified 3rd
4th in Japan -qualified 5th

massa best performances in 2009
4th in Monaco - qualified 5
3rd in Europe - qualified 6th
6st in turkey - qualified 7th
11rd in Britain - qualified 4rd
8th in Germany -qualified 3th

seems to me kimi got a good grip of the car eventualy. with some storng performances. Rhe Ferrari seems to have come to its own right around Monaco and if Massa had stayed healthy might have gotten more than 1 victory in 2009. so they were not just good in Spa or because of Kers ( which did not work in a few races for them)

I'll bet you that Sauber gets at least 2 podiums in 2010. The car is much better than you think it is. It is not a new novice car. It is the evolution from last year's BMW and pretty much has had about 10 months of development work behind it. Slight modifications were made to fit the Ferrari engine, but overall, this is pretty much a BMW chasis and design.

If BMW were still on the grid, would you say that you think their chances of a podium would be low? Because this is essentially the BMW.

Anyway. lets watch the races rather than writing off teams before the start of the season. ;)

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Well yes we are speculating. But do not read me wrong - I will be pleased for Peter Sauber if they do well. As a fan the Sauber name goes back decades for me [BASF Saubers]. So I would love to see Sauber do well.

I just think it will be one of the toughest assignments for the drivers - even though I do like de la Rosa while Kobayashi is still an unknown entity - which Kamui will show up under the pressure? Interlagos Kamui or Yas Marina Kamui!!

So this is a bet I will happily LOSE :-]