Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Viktory

No point trying to discuss this.

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Viktory..that last Massa pass is exactly the same situation as yesterday..kubica on the inside..to some that's the racingline so I have been told..so he can defend his position..massa tries to pass him on the outside but Kubica leaves him no room...So like some also told me on here that's whats racing is all about....he (Massa) should have backed off and waited for another opportunaty to make a pass..but nop..massa kept pushing goin way of track to keep his speed and make the pass ? taking a serious advantage by doin so...

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Huh? Don't tell him what he's saying. He's saying that at the start of the video that Kubica has had an off and pushed Massa off. By your logic Kubica deserves the penalty. You can't have your cake and eat it mate. Don't tell people what they're saying. It's EXTREMELY rude.

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If you haven't gathered by now Daniel, I don't give a flying feck what you think but please feel free to bestow such pearls of wisdom as you see fit.

:p

Now, back to subject.

Not only has a 3 time WDC said this is the worst decision in the history of F1 but now Schumacher comes out against it.

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Sep.8 (GMM) Ralf Schumacher, a winner of six grands prix who left formula one at the end of last year, has sided with those who believe FIA officials were wrong to strip Lewis Hamilton of his Belgian grand prix victory. The German, whose elder brother Michael won five world championships with Ferrari, believes the Spa-Francorchamps episode is yet another piece of evidence that the Italian team is favoured by formula one's ruling body.

"Lewis deserved to win but it was taken away," Schumacher, who now races in the German touring car series DTM, wrote in the German newspaper Bild. "To me, it was fair overtaking," he added.

Ralf, 33, said the 2008 championship fight has entered a "crucial phase".

"In my experience, Ferrari has always had priority in formula one, which we have seen in many situations," he insisted.

In the German-speaking world, Schumacher is certainly not a lone voice, with the former triple world champion Niki Lauda on Monday dramatically denouncing the stewards' decision as the worst "in the history of F1".

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Of course, it's only Ralf so what does he know ;)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Of course, it's only Ralf so what does he know ;)

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Right, is the opinion of the "real" Schumacher that counts :p :

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

Viktory..that last Massa pass is exactly the same situation as yesterday..kubica on the inside..to some that's the racingline so I have been told..so he can defend his position..massa tries to pass him on the outside but Kubica leaves him no room...So like some also told me on here that's whats racing is all about....he (Massa) should have backed off and waited for another opportunaty to make a pass..but nop..massa kept pushing goin way of track to keep his speed and make the pass ? taking a serious advantage by doin so...

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Yeah well. I have already stated that, after being reminded of the schumi pedro situation in hungary '06 that there shouldn't have been a penalty for Lewis.
Kubica gains the same amount of advantage when pushed off the track by Massa earlier in the lap (Kubica pushed Massa off the track at the end) thus they pretty much made a punishment meaningless as both would have recieved the same one.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/09/0...nery-at-monza/

Regards

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Definitely not this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM

Incidentally, no penalty was handed out.

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yeah, but you're comparing apples and oranges.

schumacher clearly breached the rules here (i'd love to see even tamburello and ioan argue that he didn't), gained an advantage by cutting the circuit and didn't get punished.

three quarters of observers on this forum believe hamilton didn't breach the rules and he got punished.

that's because hamilton slowed to allow kimi past - and by a full car length - before he attacked again.

it's the same sporting code we're talking about and the same rulebook by at least one of the same stewards.

my best guess, based on years of racing experience, would be that any telemetry would confirm the visuals, and would prove that kimi braked significantly earlier than hamilton.

did hamilton gain an advantage, that seems to be the only question. have a look at how close he was all the way along the increasingly wet back straight, then look at how close he was again at the start-finish line.

it seems that, if anything, there's more distance between the two cars at the start-finish line.

where's that advantage, then?

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Originally Posted by Viktory

Yeah well. I have already stated that, after being reminded of the schumi pedro situation in hungary '06 that there shouldn't have been a penalty for Lewis.
Kubica gains the same amount of advantage when pushed off the track by Massa earlier in the lap (Kubica pushed Massa off the track at the end) thus they pretty much made a punishment meaningless as both would have recieved the same one.

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meaningless ? well if they also where given a 25 sec penalty or a drive true....would that not have influenced the race ?

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Originally Posted by hmmm - donuts

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/09/0...nery-at-monza/

Regards

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The problem is that when Ferrari do it, then the rules are changed to accomodate them.

When McLaren do it, they cede the position back just in case and still get penalised.

:laugh:

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Originally Posted by hmmm - donuts

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2006/09/0...nery-at-monza/

Regards

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Nice find!!

Here's hoping that speed bumps (a la Monaco) are installed on every chicane and we'll let the bumps sort all this out for us. Although I can just hear the GPDA howling in horror at the thought.

Had this been a street circuit with no runoff room we would be saying Hamilton got too aggressive and smacked the barrier trying to overtake Raikkonen.

I genuinely don't believe that there is any bias evident towards Ferrari at all. Do we always have to either be biased or accuse others of it in spite of a lack of evidence?

However, I get the feeling that some here would only be happy if Hamilton had allowed Raikkonen to remain ahead of him until the flag.