Make Conrad Rautenbach history!

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Daniel, you continue to astound me! There wouldn't have been a WRC round in the 30 years of it's existence that hasn't had such participation. And thank the Lord for that, or else rallying would not have lasted very long.
That each event draws entries from all skill levels is indeed the very essence of the sport and what sets it apart from other modes of motorsport.

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True enough. But back then rallies weren't really limited in the numbers of entries they could have. But times have changed. I have no problem with daddies giving sons money to do a season in a WRCar. I really don't but I think a guy like Conrad seems a bit dangerous and I just hope he doesn't have a similar crash to his Raly GB or Monte ones in a country with lesser safety standards because people might be hurt. Safety is a two way thing on rallies. Organisers must make the route as safer as possible. But competitors should also try and drive within their limits also. I'd give £10 to Conrad if he could just keep it on the road on his next rally.....

Daniel, you don't give a rat's arse about "people's safety" at all.
There's no evidence to suggest that Conrad is less safe than any other competitor who's having a go.
You've simply started a thread to have a bit of fun at someone else's expense. Admit it.

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Daniel, you don't give a rat's arse about "people's safety" at all.
You've simply started a thread to have a bit of fun at someone else's expense. Admit it.

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You really do like the sound of your (admittedly typed) voice don't you!

How many times when people like IvanThaDriver said we should have GroupB back in it's 1980's form was I the one to say tell those people how impractical and unsafe this would be? TBH I could care less about the "spectacle" of the sport as long as people are fairly safe. Accidents will always happen in a fairly safe sport like the WRC but keeping them down to a minimum is good for everyone.

Of course this thread was to poke fun at Conrad! I've once posted a thread to poke fun at Gronholm as well when he was having a nice run of retirements. The difference was that this was unusual for Gronholm but seems par for the course for Conrad.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

You really do like the sound of your (admittedly typed) voice don't you!

How many times when people like IvanThaDriver said we should have GroupB back in it's 1980's form was I the one to say tell those people how impractical and unsafe this would be?

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Didn't you had fun at his expense too?!











Oh wait, we all had :p :

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Originally Posted by Josti

Didn't you had fun at his expense too?!











Oh wait, we all had :p :

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Oi! Don't make fun of Ivan because he's using his dad's PC!

It's not up to Conrad to make sure spectators are kept in safe areas. That is the job of the rally organisers.

Saying "Conrad is a hazard to spectators" is a weak shot at trying to save face because of the sh!tstorm you have started here. You initially said "he crashed a Citroen and thats bad because it's my favourite car" now your claiming he will kill spectators. Admit it, this is a thread where you tried to be funny, however lots have not found it funny, now your trying desperately to save face.

If Conrad crashed and a spectator was hurt you would point the finger and say "see he is dangerous" although if Hirvonen hit a spectator it would be "that spectator was in a stupid place". If any WRC driver hits a spectator then it is because the spectator was in a place they shouldn't be. Simple as that. Any spectator who is hit by a rally car is at fault, they should have weighed up the options as to whether they put themselves in danger or not.

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Originally Posted by WRCfan

It's not up to Conrad to make sure spectators are kept in safe areas. That is the job of the rally organisers.

Saying "Conrad is a hazard to spectators" is a weak shot at trying to save face because of the sh!tstorm you have started here. You initially said "he crashed a Citroen and thats bad because it's my favourite car" now your claiming he will kill spectators. Admit it, this is a thread where you tried to be funny, however lots have not found it funny, now your trying desperately to save face.

If Conrad crashed and a spectator was hurt you would point the finger and say "see he is dangerous" although if Hirvonen hit a spectator it would be "that spectator was in a stupid place". If any WRC driver hits a spectator then it is because the spectator was in a place they shouldn't be. Simple as that. Any spectator who is hit by a rally car is at fault, they should have weighed up the options as to whether they put themselves in danger or not.

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Yeap is like that.
The only one who is not at fault is the driver. Actually this is one of the main reasons to begin with why a driver goes rallying or racing. Not to be a hazard to the public and do what he loves best within supervised and safe conditions. Same applies ofcourse for the professionals or the semi-pros or the complete amateurs. The rally organizers and the spectators themselves should take all the precautionary measures not to be in danger when a car which is traveling on the limit passes near them.

I do think some of the posters on this forum are a bit harsh on talented drivers sometimes - Conrad, like Wilson and others, is a very quick driver and well capable of winning a National series anywhere in the world - but because he's not at the same pace as maybe 10 or a dozen guys at WRC level, he's a waste of a seat?? Really??

I enjoy watching a variety of drivers who have a variety of abilities - it's fascinating watching the second tier of drivers gradually up their speed and begin to match the best, and it's fascinating to see the leading JWRC and PWRC guys when they step up to WRCs. Wilks, Meeke, P-G and Aava have been on the pace (allowing for their machinery not being top class) but people like Arai and Conrad have not.

This doesn't mean they're talentless, just that their level is slightly below the very top - and if I go to watch a WRC event I'm just as appreciative of their efforts fighting over 10th place as I am of a guy in a Swift fighting for the lead of N2 - they're out there doing it to the best of their ability and I'd sooner have that all through the field than some sort of rallysprint with only 20 cars in it.....

Having said all that - Rautenbach has looked worryingly wild since he stepped into a WRC - I'm all for people being on the ragged edge, but his RGB crash was a huge misjudgement, and the onboard from his second Monte crash made it sound like he wasn't even bothered that he'd binned it - maybe unfair but understandable if you're rally position is low and funding isn't an issue - but not a good attitude for your own personal safety I wouldn't have thought.....

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Originally Posted by Whinlatter

I do think some of the posters on this forum are a bit harsh on talented drivers sometimes - Conrad, like Wilson and others, is a very quick driver and well capable of winning a National series anywhere in the world - but because he's not at the same pace as maybe 10 or a dozen guys at WRC level, he's a waste of a seat?? Really??

I enjoy watching a variety of drivers who have a variety of abilities - it's fascinating watching the second tier of drivers gradually up their speed and begin to match the best, and it's fascinating to see the leading JWRC and PWRC guys when they step up to WRCs. Wilks, Meeke, P-G and Aava have been on the pace (allowing for their machinery not being top class) but people like Arai and Conrad have not.

This doesn't mean they're talentless, just that their level is slightly below the very top - and if I go to watch a WRC event I'm just as appreciative of their efforts fighting over 10th place as I am of a guy in a Swift fighting for the lead of N2 - they're out there doing it to the best of their ability and I'd sooner have that all through the field than some sort of rallysprint with only 20 cars in it.....

Having said all that - Rautenbach has looked worryingly wild since he stepped into a WRC - I'm all for people being on the ragged edge, but his RGB crash was a huge misjudgement, and the onboard from his second Monte crash made it sound like he wasn't even bothered that he'd binned it - maybe unfair but understandable if you're rally position is low and funding isn't an issue - but not a good attitude for your own personal safety I wouldn't have thought.....

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The majority of people talking in here we don't even have the 5% of the skills of Wilson or Rautenbach. And since you are involved in Rallying as you said you know even better that is much different to be inside the car than watching from outside. Views and thoughts on the matter change a lot when you sit inside the car and do a special stage. And I agree also to the point that the mentioned drivers have the skills of winning national championships etc. Ofcourse they are not talentless. But unavoidably in the WRC they are compared with the elite of rally drivers. Judged according their performances to the best.
So can you tell me pls that you wouldn't prefer to watch a more competitive driver in their places fighting for a win? I would. WRC needs all actually , and the less competitive drivers but firstly the ones that can fight for top 3 positions raising the level of competition.

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Originally Posted by WRCfan

It's not up to Conrad to make sure spectators are kept in safe areas. That is the job of the rally organisers.

Saying "Conrad is a hazard to spectators" is a weak shot at trying to save face because of the sh!tstorm you have started here. You initially said "he crashed a Citroen and thats bad because it's my favourite car" now your claiming he will kill spectators. Admit it, this is a thread where you tried to be funny, however lots have not found it funny, now your trying desperately to save face.

If Conrad crashed and a spectator was hurt you would point the finger and say "see he is dangerous" although if Hirvonen hit a spectator it would be "that spectator was in a stupid place". If any WRC driver hits a spectator then it is because the spectator was in a place they shouldn't be. Simple as that. Any spectator who is hit by a rally car is at fault, they should have weighed up the options as to whether they put themselves in danger or not.

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What a laugh. In my original post I mentioned safety of spectators. What would have happened if Conrad hand't hit that lamp post and the very small (1 ft tall?) concrete wall hadn't contained his car which is a definited possibility? Then what? Does that automatically make that a dangerous place to stand? Quit making stuff up about my posts or I'll start doing the same to you.

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Originally Posted by Whinlatter

I do think some of the posters on this forum are a bit harsh on talented drivers sometimes - Conrad, like Wilson and others, is a very quick driver and well capable of winning a National series anywhere in the world - but because he's not at the same pace as maybe 10 or a dozen guys at WRC level, he's a waste of a seat?? Really??

I enjoy watching a variety of drivers who have a variety of abilities - it's fascinating watching the second tier of drivers gradually up their speed and begin to match the best, and it's fascinating to see the leading JWRC and PWRC guys when they step up to WRCs. Wilks, Meeke, P-G and Aava have been on the pace (allowing for their machinery not being top class) but people like Arai and Conrad have not.

This doesn't mean they're talentless, just that their level is slightly below the very top - and if I go to watch a WRC event I'm just as appreciative of their efforts fighting over 10th place as I am of a guy in a Swift fighting for the lead of N2 - they're out there doing it to the best of their ability and I'd sooner have that all through the field than some sort of rallysprint with only 20 cars in it.....

Having said all that - Rautenbach has looked worryingly wild since he stepped into a WRC - I'm all for people being on the ragged edge, but his RGB crash was a huge misjudgement, and the onboard from his second Monte crash made it sound like he wasn't even bothered that he'd binned it - maybe unfair but understandable if you're rally position is low and funding isn't an issue - but not a good attitude for your own personal safety I wouldn't have thought.....

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I'm sorry but Conrad has never been a top tier JWRC driver. Sure he's had some good finishes but in a series like that just about anyone who can last till the end will get a good finish every once in a while.

As for your last paragraph I couldn't agree more :up:

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Originally Posted by kleisj

So can you tell me pls that you wouldn't prefer to watch a more competitive driver in their places fighting for a win? I would. WRC needs all actually , and the less competitive drivers but firstly the ones that can fight for top 3 positions raising the level of competition.

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Sure, of course I would - but I'm also realistic. There is no way - ever - that ALL the best drivers have got a top car - even in the Golden age of the 70s/80s/90s *delete depending on how old you are ;)

I can't see anyone who doesn't currently have a drive who could regularly compete for a podium against Loeb, Sordo, JML, Mikko, Petter, Gigi, Atko and Duval.

Meeke, Wilks, Hanninen, Aava, Higgins, Tirabassi, Sola, Alen.... they're all quicker than Conrad, but none of them is a serious top 3 challenger - top 6 maybe, with the potential to luck into a podium now and again, but none of them is another Mikko or Loeb.

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Originally Posted by Whinlatter

Meeke, Wilks, Hanninen, Aava, Higgins, Tirabassi, Sola, Alen.... they're all quicker than Conrad, but none of them is a serious top 3 challenger - top 6 maybe, with the potential to luck into a podium now and again, but none of them is another Mikko or Loeb.

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Meeke, Hanninen and Alen all in my opinion, which counts for a lot in my head but very little elsewhere ;-) have what it takes to compete at the very top.


Great thread Daniel, its been fun to read and I'm sure Conrad never dreamed he could ever be as good as is being written of him here!!

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Originally Posted by kleisj

The majority of people talking in here we don't even have the 5% of the skills of Wilson or Rautenbach. .

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I have now reached the stage where I can feed and dress myself, does this qualify me as having more than 5% of the hand/eye cordination displayed by Conrad?

I think this thread is probably the oddest one I've seen in this forum. Where do you guys find the energy to focus on Conrad like this?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

You really do like the sound of your (admittedly typed) voice don't you!

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Umm, sollitt = 1322 posts / Daniel = 26224 posts (approx. 20 times as many)

Bit of 'Pot calling the kettle black' do you think?

Daniel, seriously - have a w*nk or a computer-free month. Step outside the door, there's a real world outside! You might like it! :) Get a driving licence, learn to drive. Ask daddy or find sponsors and beat Loeb!

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Umm, sollitt = 1322 posts / Daniel = 26224 posts (approx. 20 times as many)

Bit of 'Pot calling the kettle black' do you think?

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Thing is..... you just make stuff up....

As for ARF. People who are too childish to stay on topic or not be rude get reported to the moderators.

Show is over Guys, thread closed !