The first part of my post is not related directly to dirtfish - they are not so specific in article, but the background is very similar.
My source told me that everything will be confirmed/agreed on next WMSC meet at the end of Feb - as stated also dirtfish.
Yes.. yes! But in what article they mention that? Dirtfish would be with 34 articles on that already, since they were pushing it very hard hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
Maybe from this one..Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-l...-over-the-wrc/
Quote:
Much of the consulation will be completed by the end of this month, with the working group proposals heading for World Motor Sport Council consideration at the group’s virtual meeting on February 28.
Although I doubt that too much will be decided then :D
AH, the way he said it looked like it was some confirmation.... Meh
Please check inbox :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
I think that Skoda and Citroen are preparing terrain, since they are really loud about their involvement this year. Well I hope. But I don't know why are Hyundai waiting with their WRC2 programme. Maybe they are undecided yet about continuing or left the sport. But one thing keeps getting in my head. They say they will have a new car for next year. Is it possible, they will develop completely new Rally2 (or Rally1), since they have some new people on board.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
Well if it's true what was written in one of the DF articles, that the commision has a target of 25+ top class cars next year then the only realistic solution for that requirement in 2025 is Rally2.
If thats true im honestly writting an email to the promoter (they normally answer) thanking them for listening to our worries. Both in wrc and worldrx. Rally1 cars are amazing, but its like in f1: Current f1 cars ARE NOT spetacular anymore... But our brains get used. Bring the rally2s
What about beyond the cars, heard anything? This was supposed to be about the relevancy of the whole sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
In all likelihoodness, if this passes it's because the number of willing manufacturers is expected to shrink not for what fans want.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Rally 2 cars sound fucking dull. Give me a screaming s2000 from 15yrs ago, hearing it popping and banging miles away over a faster r5/rally2. Sound is such a huge part of the spectacle and wow factor in rallying. Always has been! S2000 cars proved you could create affordable cars that had the spectacle needed to attract fans to the stages & generate huge interest. So it can be done. After all, s2000 and the IRC nearly killed the WRC around 2009 - 11/12 period!
https://youtu.be/W2I5ZBQ8gho?si=M7okmvQwfXhpuZV-
S2000 screamers were fun but realistically we're not going to go back to NA engines.
Rally2 cars don't have to sound dull, this one is nice and the Yaris with it's 3 cylinder thrum is interesting too:
https://youtu.be/8bpF6kGy-Pw?si=uhsTZaBcl8Wl38L_
Do we know if thers a way (BoP, of course) to have a Hydrogen Yaris, Haiden Paddon's EV, Renault's Electric R5 3E and Vermont's Subarus racing with the same performance of the Rally2 cars? Cuz IMO that would be the ideal mix for a top class.
How does 25 cars fit into itineraries with all live?
At 3 minute intervals on gravel the 25th is starting 1hr15m after the 1st. Assuming all being covered is desired, with no crossover and WRC2 gets nothing, a typical loop could be 6 hours or more. Where's the shorter days then?
Or are some top class drivers not going to be top class in reality, thus not necessary to see?
Or any class. They could easily introduce it if they wanted, but it doesn't fit with commercial agreements. P1 fuels for instance. Edit: ...and logistics aside of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
I stopped watching the RAC Rally live when they went to 2 minute intervals because of the boredom waiting between cars. 3 minutes is pointless - they may as well make it 10 minutes and only have 3 stages a day for TV and ignore the live viewers.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
2-3 minutes is ok for live TV coverage, for spectators on site it is disaster...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
I'm a big supporter of reducing rallies. Saturday and sunday, if I'm specific. People these days don't have that much time of watching all day for almost a week. Even the hardcore fans doesn't have that much time on their schedule. It would help also the drivers to being more with family, relax and regenerate. Reducing the calendar would also help. Classic rallies stays, and some with rotating spots. Like Australia/NZ, or Argentina/Chile. Estonia/Latvia/Poland...
As for rally2 switch over rally1... Those guys in front of the field would turn any machine in fast and exciting vehicle to watch. So I'm not worried of being not interested enough. I'm actualy not interested in watching if there is dominance in one driver and team. I point on F1 2023. Like you already know who would win literaly every race out there. As of this year Monte, I want that. On every round. No matter what class of cars they drive. As long as there is battles out there.
I think that point system will not work good and they would need to change it soon. Maybe reward points for each stage on sunday or simply put everyone on new tyres for PS.
If there would be like 20+ cars for top category (i don't know if there would still be WRC2 if they really abandon rally1 cars), I personaly don't know how would they run AllLive.. Maybe two pictures in one. Replays of moments and interesting thing, splits, telemetry.. Don't know. But one thing for sure. If they stop broadcasting all together, I hope that radio, splits, maps, news and all of that will not be payable. Because it's not worth it. Even now with live video, people barely pay, because the service is so bad.
Another idea. Maybe they could run ERC and other continental championships simultaneously with WRC rounds. Reducing costs with organization, more participants, more fans...
And another silly (but personaly the best) idea would be implement ''classic category''. Where all previous cars which did participate in WRC somewhere in history of sport. It would be awesome to see some retired drivers with Quattros, Lancias, Minis or even old spec Fiestas.
Yup, haven't 100% calculated it yet, but watching more than 2 proper stages a day on Friday and Saturday in Sweden you will barely have time to watch all Rally1's on the first stage in the morningQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
This would be economically unsustainable for the local promoters, as they would set up the infrastructure for the event on a massive scale to accomodate all the crews and teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Also, this would be unsustainable for the WRC Promoter as well, as it would lose 500.000 euros for each event on the ERC calendar. And if the idea is to charge the WRC events, some are already in trouble gathering 1M for their slot, they wouldn't be very happy to hear about 1.5M calendar fee...
It's nonsense for everyone because it would not attract far majority of the ERC competitors. They come to fight for OVERALL victory and for their media and public exposure. They would get none of that in WRC.
Didn't ERC run with WRC in Spain one year, when nobody noticed they were there
"Thanks god" for all this calculations there is not so many Rally1 cars...Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Well in one way yes, but I'm meaning time to the next stage, hard to know when you don't know at what point you will be at the stage anyway. In Finland i came from Laukaa after Greensmith, got the camera up and made Kalle at the Myhinpaa sideways jump by less than 1min so my calculations can be a "bit" close sometimes lolQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
First event wrap-up: without the "hammers" Rovanpera and old-Ogier, it's just a great battle at the front and it benefits the WRC so much. WRC-2 is once again on fire, fantastic fight for the podium and top spot, keep going.
TV: some improvements with picture-in-picture interviews to keep watching the action on the stage, some editorial things to fix, when there's battles going on you have to follow it and not focus on Fourmaux. As someone said this weekend, we need more fixed side cameras to get more action.
Social media: the new social media manager is doing an impressive job and, as I wished last month on another thread, finally they introduced the pre-rally and post-rally shows. Still room for improvement for the highlights, 3 minutes is just not enough, 6-8 minutes would be already better as asked by many fans on the comment sections. Hopefully it will get better in the next events.
Where was drones? I missed shots, cuz they can be awesome
Yes, with a different itinerary as I recall, so wasn't technically the same rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Same day 1 and 2 except for the spectator-stage on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
So who won the rally? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Heck if I know. I honestly never cared or watched anything from ERC until last year ^^, I just remember it, because I initially thought it was cool, and that it would make it a big entry for a rally again. When it didn't happen I didn't care again :PQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
ERC version of Rally Catalunya 2022 was won by Bonato - https://rally-base.com/2022/erc-rally-catalunya-2022/Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
But from beginning it was sure it is nonsense to have WRC and ERC event together. After covid with limited possibilities for events, FIA was pushing to bring WRC to some ERC rounds, it was very close on some of them (for example Liepaja), there was also some pre-agreement for the format, but in the final it failed.
Duff link BTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
It'll always be a box tick exercise whatever the industry, there will be bribes, favours and coverups, it's a load of nonsense really - not to say it doesn't matter.
- Dammit, I tried to fix the link but the message was deleted. Using this forum on the smartphone is so terrible haha
I think the link is fixed now?
==============
Someone shared this, its half-interesting: Theres this anual "Sustainable Motorsport Index" released every year and ERC continues to be high on the ranking, only behind FormulaE, ExtremeE, F1, MotoGP and the extinct eWTCC. I know that "Not traveling around the world" counts A LOT, but its interesting to see. WRC is 15° on the list, behind crazy poluted stuff like the European Truck Series and Nascar.... Guess the hybrid engines are not doing much for them? ...the all electric world rallycross is doing EVEN WORST. Thats so weird haha
https://www.sustainablemotorsportind...hhmhLMZ5etsJYY
Without sinking deep into the exact method behind the statistics it shall be taken with a vagon of salt. As any other statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
Offtopic, but..Quote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
I figured out that if you want to edit the post in smartphone, then first scroll down and click on ,,Full Site'', then (at least for me) the post won't delete right away.
World Rallysprint Championship 2025
266 km in Sardegna
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Tbh a world rally sprint championship would be very cool haha. Especially if they manage to have that same look from those redbull events in Downhill mountain bike.
I started following WRC because of the World Rallycross in 2014. I fell in love with those cars and they would talk all the time that those were "Rally machines with double the power". I got interested... Here I am, watching WRC for basically 10 years. Gotta grab the YOUNGSTERS where they are hehe
I was thinking to go to Sardegna as spectator this year. But with so short and stupid schedule, it is not worth for me to spend money for this comedy. This documents helped me with my choice...
And how do they do it in ERC where 30+ Rally2 cars is a norm in every round?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan