I'd be amazed if Ogier went to Hyundai when Toyota has the best car and a settled team environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Tanak going back there has a better chance and he will be the key to any other team moves, rather than Ogier.
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I'd be amazed if Ogier went to Hyundai when Toyota has the best car and a settled team environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Tanak going back there has a better chance and he will be the key to any other team moves, rather than Ogier.
If Ogier is still interested in driving LeMans with a Hypercar (or a LMDh), he's probably leaving Toyota since they closed that door last year.
he needs more time to practice and improve. he is a superb driver but one season was not enough also for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
also toyota know that
Maybe Ogier could move to Hyundai to complete the set of driving for every possible WRC team ! ;)
Whilst he's a multiple WRC champion, it's also possible that he's just not suited to Endurance circuit racing. He wasn't quick, and was making mistakes....Toyota will have the data, and will know whether he's capable of improving. Not all top drivers are versatile.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...ours/10522465/
So the rumour is over? If Hyundai can't afford much more salary than Toyota, There is really no reason for Ogier to move
How about Rovanpera, I find the current salary is 600000 euro per season??
If Ogier wanted to keep chasing a hypercar seat for Le Mans, he could have completed last season, instead of leaving the LMP2 team after Le Mans. So I think he either understood he's not quick enough for hypercar (even though he could maybe find an agreement with the slower hypercar teams such as Glickenhaus or ByKolles) or he's so arrogant to believe he doesn't need practice in LMP2 and is ready for a hypercar seat. I think the first option is more plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
In the interviews he was very self critical at that time so I think he felt he was out of place. He completed Le Mans so he can put a checkmark on that and return to rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Tanak in talks with all teams...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/t...ided/10522758/
I think you've missed a '0' off that number....Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Then there are win / podium bonuses on top of that...
No. It´s not that level yet. Next contract (starting 2024) is the first when there is a lot of 0 numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Lol..
Ofcourse it is already on that ,,six-zero'' level from the beginning..
Kalle is and has been a long term investment fom Toyota, that paid off better than anybody could have thought.
I believe that he was offered quite a ,,blank check'' from Hyundai for next year(.s).
Here you can find the basic salary for Kella is 350000 in 2022, as Ogier is 2000000 ,Huge difference in that time ,And even Kella got the title Not too much rise for his salary ,Just 600000, That's why there have the rumour between Kella and HyundaiQuote:
Originally Posted by rp
https://www.sportspayouts.com/wrc/ka...lary-contract/
would you take a moment and read this article yourself? for example, how to spell Rovanpera's first name correctly?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Is that key point? No matter Kella or Kalle, we know it's Rovanpera, The key point is why the basic salary is such fewer compare to Ogier's 2.5 million ,Neuville's 2 million or Tanak's 1.7 milion. well maybe different website have different source.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
Interesting and also not so interesting answers from Cyril
https://www-rallit-fi.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp
By his answers it seems it’s Evans or Tänak cause we know Kalle and Ogier said no.
Yes, yes. That famous F1 driver Ayrton Sanne da Salvo....Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Yes he has been. But Kalle´s current contract is valid at the end of 2023 and last year was not helping him. Of course he got some bonus when winning events and WRC title.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
The next contract starting from 2024 is the first one when the big money (a lot of millions) is coming.
Drivers have winning bonuses and sometimes they can earn more when winning
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Those numbers are all rubbish. I wouldn't trust anything that website says.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Those boys are all earning MUCH more than that...
https://www-is-fi.translate.goog/ral...x_tr_hist=true
Latvala says that there is a gentleman's agreement that one team should not have all world champions and this is the reason why Ott won't join Toyota.
so Evans can't win the title..? :D
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Originally Posted by TypeR
Very good one, or he can win and then leaves Toyota.
he can, but it's not already a winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
The gentlemen's agreement is a real paper legal agreement that can restrict any team to hire all champion drivers or just the moral agreement obey by all teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
i guess a gentlemen agreement is not a contractQuote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
maybe like the f1 gentlemen agreement between senna and prost and finally been broken, So Toyota can still hire rovanpera and Tanaka :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
... but when Loeb retired, then all champs (read: Ogier alone) was anyway in one team.
So that's the reason why Wilson didn't call Rovanpera or Ogier to join Tanak for 2024..
Neuville after Chile to Belgium press:
Autotranslated by Google: What if Tanak returned to Hyundai? "We have to strengthen the team. He will probably come back with the knowledge of another competing car, that can only help. I have always said it: it was the toughest team, the most difficult to beat . It was a reference for me, it gave me the opportunity to surpass myself from time to time. Even if collaboration as a team has not always been easy, with Cyril Abiteboul at the helm, he will play the game and that's fine be a good teammate ,” concludes the Hyundai driver.
Source: https://www.rtbf.be/article/wrc-chil...as-la-11264761
The last sentence sounds interesting but I guess it’s just bad translation
Well I read from this that Tänak to Hyundai then
From what i read, that seems to be the case indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Probably he meant that Cyril will get Ott to more pull for the team than during his last stint at Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Cyril is quite strong leader so I believe this will be the case
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I don't understand the talk about Tänak not being a team player. What do they mean by that?
All the top drivers fight for their personal points and title. If they are successful, then obviously the team will gain also a good amount of points. If you don't have a chance anymore for the title, then you start to play the team game.
Is there some French person to translate it better? You know that Google Translator isnt optimal
Its a matter of time Ott leaves MSport but what next for them?
I understand it more that Abiteboul will manage two top drivers better than the previous team principals did.
At the post-Chile press conference Millener spoke very highly of Ott and for the rest of the season. Surprising if he knew he was leaving again already...
I think that If Tanak really goes to Hyundai that it will work for them well with Cyril in the lead. Both Tanak and Neuville really want to beat Toyota
Well, most likely for next year
Toyota: Kalle, Evans + Ogier-Katsuta
Hyundai: Neuville, Tanak + Lappi-Suninen
M-Sport: Fourmaux + a paying guy (+ 4 rounds for Loeb?)
I may not discard Mikkelsen instead of Suninen even if I think it’s not likely