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Good guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Joukhi has helped drivers for years, he also helped lots of good talents to not get a chance because he invented to pay lots for seats. Maybe he helped to ruin the sport?
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How difficult it is to write names correctly? :) Jouhki & Suninen
No, bringing budget was/is normal in motorsport except for a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Why would he continue to fund Suninen in a factory seat? Isn't point of his model to get his investment back once a driver has a factory seat?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Both, but before it wasn't this amount of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Good talents could drive for free, or a small amount of money. The team/brand/importer put in the rest.
This was quite normal in the 90's.
Today it is normal to put in awful lot of money, of course it become more expensive thru the years too, but ie M-sport that find out someone was able to pay much more for the seat than before, made it more difficult for talents to get up there.
It's to few manu's around, and the few seats possible has been paid out, maybe not by the most interresting drivers from a sporting point of wiew.
Maybe i'm just old:)
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We don't know who pays to drive or is paid to drive so it's all speculation. But bringing in budget has been very common in rallying throughout the decades. It just has often been about bringing in a sponsor or getting money from your local importer. We know that Marcus Grönholm was promised a Toyota seat for 1999 but in the end Didier Auriol got more support from Toyota's French importer so he got the gig and Grönholm was left out (although in the end it was a much better result for Grönholm). We also know that a certain red-white livery often followed Freddy Loix no matter which car he drove.
Same with Sainz, Repsol or Telefonica were usually on his cars. Budget is part of the game.
And Sainz is a curious example because for sure he wouldn't have needed any extra budgetQuote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Freddy taking that Red-White livery to Mitsubishi probably put the end to his progress. In the Corolla he was very quick, but went nowhere in the Lancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Not that unusual, sponsors that have a bond with successful drivers tend to follow them around. But it is obviously a different matter than bringing a sponsor to fund a drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/...bBM401inwI_Adg
What a surprise….
I think this was one of the reasons (WRC2/Rally2) why Tänak signed and now left as HMSG is overlooking every detail and contract after Adamo's departure.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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https://www.loudlifemedia.fi/pajari-...2023-revealed/
Pajari with Toksport Skoda next year
Kalle hinting that Lappi is gone https://www-rallit-fi.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp
Hinting? :D He pretty much confirms it: EP was of course a good teammate and he is also Finnish and a good friend. Of course, it's a shame that we can no longer spend fun time together, Rovanperä said.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
"FUN TIME" between two Finish guys in my head looks like being quiet 99% of the time, with jokes for answers when one asks something.
As you can see the meaning of fun is rather different when you're from northQuote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
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https://www.rallit.fi/jari-matti-lat...e-taman-lajin/
"Latvala made it clear that the Estonian is not returning to the team.
- If we took Ott, we would destroy this sport in a certain way, because there would be three world champions in the same team (Kalle Rovanperä, Ogier, Tänak). He is needed more at M-Sport Ford. In terms of the World Series, it would be the best solution, Latvala emphasized."
Lets see then if he keeps his words
Either he doesn't know anything or just stirring the water..
There must be something going on in Toyota..
Or else they would have announced the team(specially Evans..)
I suppose Toyota is either waiting for rally Japan to announce (could be tomorrow even) or their end of year corporate motorsport event thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
It's nice to see that he thinks Ott is needed in M-Sport but between that and not bringing him to the team... as many people said here before, it's not (only) his decision to make, Guess we'll find out Sunday/Monday. Just speculating of course, don't think he'll keep to his words.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
In a way Latvala is playing with his reputation - in case Tänak really goes to Toyota and the decision is kind of made against Latvala's will over his head, how people take him seriously as a team boss after that?
Has someone taken him seriously as team boss ?Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
He is member of lead group not dictator :)
Urmo Aava (Rally Estonia director) told that the delay of announcing the 2023 calendar was because of the documentation. Some rallies haven't done it correctly. It came out on the last minute as Rally Estonia already had a press release ready.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/t...ture/10397418/
Tänak says he has nothing yet, will start thinking about future after getting home from Japan
I guess we can exclude him doing half a season then based on his comments in the articleQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
That to me sounds like M-Sport is still a real possibility if enough commercial backing can be found. I had nearly wrote it off going by some of the comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I'm getting more and more worried for Craig, hopefully he keeps/finds a seat. Realistically if M-Sport keep him he will probably get a full season but that's not the case at Hyundai if he jumps ship.
my guess still is Toyota, he seems kinda really happy this week so far (atlhough for this there is also another reason from his family) and all this praise for Japan and etc. M-sport just doesnt have this kind of money for his payment and also for development but i would love him seeing back at M-sportQuote:
Originally Posted by Jewy46
For the WRC itself Tanak to MSport would be the best thing. If I was promoter I would be busting my ass to make some deals with sponsors and people happen. This is the kind of thing Bernie was good at, and one of the ingredients that makes a championship as a product good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewy46
Thing is Latvala is just a happy, approachable likeable face of the team. Lindstrom and Fowler have much more to do with the actual running of the team. And if Toyoda wants Tanak back, then Latvala's opinion matters zilch
Wait a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewy46
Craig signed a two year dela with M-Sport. 2022/23.
Is there any loop in his contract that they can get rid of him?
He was supposed to fight for podiums on every event and not crashing on half of the events..Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
+ every contract can be ended
Latvala on Tanak to Toyota rumours:
“Thinking about the future of the sport it would kill it if you had three world champions in one team,” he added.
“I think for everybody it would be best if he drive for M-Sport because then there would be top drivers in every team, so the championship would be exciting as the cars are so close to each other.”
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...week/10397466/
Well, I think that he fought for podium finish on every event, that was goal. Just he over achieved himself by fighting too much and he crashed :D :monster::grenade:Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
That’s the aim of Toyoda…to have the Dream Team driving his carsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Position before crash: 7th in Sweden, 5th in Estonia, Finland and Ypres; 2nd in NZ. So basically NZ was the only rally where he crashed out fighting for a podium. In Safari he was also out of any podium fights when the car broke and same story in Portugal when the puncture happened (also a small off there)Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
But if there's no struggle, there's no achievement.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
The Le Mans/WEC program would suggest he doesn't share that view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Position before crash: 5th in JapanQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Another episode of "Who wants to be a Millener"Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR