Rather disappointing rally in terms of battles due to the road position tactics. At least the clear fastest driver won - excellent job by Gryazin.
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Rather disappointing rally in terms of battles due to the road position tactics. At least the clear fastest driver won - excellent job by Gryazin.
And when will we know the result of that issue. They have had all day to figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Will we know before the prize seremony?
Happy for Gryazin, he was no doubt fastest driver in this rally and deserved the win. I bet Gryazin and Mikkelsen will be main contenders in Estonia for win in WRC2 class.
I agree, it's not nice to leave these things hanging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Mature drive by Gryazin this weekend. He was clearly fastest.
Mikelssen actually better than i expected this time, seems he's getting on top of the car/setup now.
Kudos to Breen/MRF.. yes, they benefited from the running order trick, but they were still fast when on a more level playing field too.
Good job from Gryazin. If it takes going in "safe mode" to finish the rally then that's the speed he should go, not flat out and have a moment every second stage (Poland, Croatia). But I praised him already after Portugal and he went back to his previous style in Poland.
Good rally from Mikkelsen, 2nd fastest and clearly beating Lukyanuk from one position behind him on the road on Saturday as well as catching Breen today. It's obvious there was some confusion at start of SS2 and he certainly didn't gain any sporting advantage from it. Whether or not they keep the penalty is then a political decision that will decide who leads ERC. Good call on letting him keep road position for today at least, else the rally would be basically over and it wouldn't matter how they decide on penalty.
With regards to qualifying and road position, it was clear already after half of first day in Poland that this will be an issue that people will try to exploit. FIA should have reacted at once, not wait until after this rally (and no gravel rally soon). Kinda reminds me of WRC powerstage issues. Ogier did it in Sweden but FIA didn't react until after Mexico when Neuville and Tanak did it.
Very good observation👍 I am still in SS11 in this forest part which this year is the first part. Very spectacular driving from all crews but very professional still. Pietarainen was on the limit there enjoyed us by small close call.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
More the time passes, more it seems they wont call off 1min penalty to Mikkelsen. Its just makes no sense to delay decision for so long.
This season for Veiby has been brutal so far...
Veiby's been quite brutal too in the past... :D You could doubt if the penalty would have been similar for another crew, I'm not so sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
The Hyundai and their rear-wing saga continuos :cool:
If A driver rents a car from a team to participate in an international series, and The car does not pass tech check after the race.
Is it then correct to disqualify the crew is punished for a tech issue that the team is 100% responsible for?
If someone is to be punished it should be the car owner. Driver and codriver has no possibility to check everything on a car, before they start.
Or am I missing something?
Following your logic you can rent a car from a team, agree they're going to cheat in your favor (let's say for example they fiddle with the pop-off valve or restrictor) and you'll pay the fines they get as a team. And you cannot be disqualified as you rented the car. That would be something...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
No, because if the car owner isn't a competitor, he can not be penalised in the event. You can't be penalised if you don't compete. Simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Plus... It would be very unfair to the rest of the competitors if a clearly illegal car would be kept in the results without a penalty.
That's the risk of renting a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
It's actually very simple. If a company renting cars causes troubles to its customers, it won't profit. That is a self-regulation of a free market.
They just decided to keep Mikkelsens penalty.
Decision n25. It basically says that Toksport/Mikkelsen have to prove that something was done wrong.
As a witness that they were shown a starttime correctly they use Paul Nagle (totally no conflict of interest, also he was starting 10 cars later, was he at the startline then, why? ) and as a proof they list that Floene "raised his arm" on onboard. So it is also possible that when they showed him the time he didn't notice it and was lifting something in the car.
They also say that when Floene asked again with 15s to go they gave him new time one min later...why not just say "go now in 5-10"? When then they said new time one min later why penalty?
Well I wasn't there so it's entirely possible that Floene was shown the time, acknowledged it and forgot it. But it highlights a clear issue with the covid-way of doing things. It becomes a statement against statement. In that case I find it a bit problematic that they place penalties for essentially misunderstandings.
At the same time they just refused appeal of another crew (n49 Franceschi) who say they showed a marshall 7 fingers to say they are checking in at 47 (when it was 46:50) and he marked it as early check in cause he saw only timecard behind window. Reasoning was again that it was statement vs statement and then they trust the marshall..."cause he has many years of experience".
The stewards are very busy!
Franceschi appealed his 1'10 penalty, but it got rejected.
But now Martin Sesks is DQ'ed because of a not homologated intercooler on his car.
So Franceschi wins anyway! First win for the Clio Rally 4 in ERC!
The document about Mikkelsen was removed? I cannot see Decision no 25.
So far it's only in the Sportity app. The website version of the noticeboard is not updated very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
Well despite penalty Mikkelsen got better road position on day2 and he was fastest driver on leg2 (collecting bonus points?). But he will be frustrated, no doubt.
Organizers should do everything to minimize these kind of misunderstandings in future and also they should sort out that qualification stage nonsense.
FIA should review the COVID timecard system.
With the "normal" writing system there was written evidence and therefore strict timepenalties.
As shown by both penalties here when there is a misunderstanding it's word against word with no evidence on either side. Either the penalties can't be strict or the system needs to be changed so that there is hard evidence and clear signals that can't be misunderstood
In Mikkelsen case, they watch his onboard camera as evidence and decided on that base not to accept the appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
In Franceschi his case it was word against word.
That can happen when you write it down as well.
If you give your time card and it's 15 for you, but the guy says it's 16 and writes down 16, it's also word against word...
On the board they can't see what is happening outside and they say Floene "lifted his arm" for confirmation (of something they can't see).
The other strange thing is the second part, they agree that the crew asked for starttime/confirmation when it was 15s to go (to the time marshalls said they gave) and that they were then given time one min later. Which matches what Mikkelsen says. Why couldn't they just tell them/confirm the time that starts in 10s or so? If they don't confirm it and instead give them new time one min later then why penalty?
That episode about Mikkelsen's penalty sounds really confusing from both parties. Maybe in his vlog he will explain more details what happened (at least from his point of view).
On side note, I really liked Chris Rawes stage end interviews this weekend. Very professional, with humor (in the right places) and he knows when to back off. WRC could use a guy like him.
Very nice hybrid onboard/heli with Lukyanuk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvR_-xVmYIM
Citroen seems quite short geared, only tops out at around 175.
KKSF HD video from FIA ERC Rally Liepaja 2021 with jumps, mistakes and off: https://youtu.be/9J4u6pimM0o
Nice video, but my ears are bleeding after hearing the Subaru with BMW engine (after 2min33).
This rally has verified Veiby's real speed, hasn't it? 5 years in WRC and he can't even get into top 6 in ERC. I can't uderstand why Hyundai chose him to drive their WRC car over Huttunen or Gryazin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
Well Veiby isn't om the level of the top 4 here. But he had pop-off issues whole rally.
Hyundai "choose" to let him drive for same reason MSport chooses Greensmith...money.
Money talks, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Veiby was using "his own" i20Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
https://www.ewrc-results.com/carinfo...8455&a=1#start
50% of service crew was his and 50% from Printsport (including Jari Huttunen)
Rally Liepāja 2021' in pictures - http://janisasaris.com/en/home
JA
Another good video including crash of Scandola:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqRs5yPutTM
Mikkelsen video of his event:
https://youtu.be/JgrrcYh_wIo
Interesting thoughts on qualy and his penalty. Clear he finally found a good setup for the car too, generally seemed to be second quickest only to Gryazin which is nothing to be ashamed of in Latvia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC