Read again what I wrote and fix your attitude, especially when not face to face.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
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Read again what I wrote and fix your attitude, especially when not face to face.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
I also passed these days from a couple of stages (not the ones used in the last rally) and the picture is good old Acropolis... I guess the machinery haven’t passed from there but even if they pass still things won’t be easy!
Ps: I have been in the last 15 Acropolis and also I am involved in the last 10 years from a position that surface is key component... 😉
I hope you are right. The past 15 years machinery was used in many stages. But it was only for repair, to make roads passable. This year is the first time I saw re-construction and the use of road-roller.Quote:
Originally Posted by atsiotras79
As I have never been to a WRC event before, any idea if the rallypass system will be the same for Greece as it is for example Estonia? (Regular pass with limited stages, VIP pass with service access etc?) If so,think it's worth the high cost of VIP to get access to service park etc? Or any advice on which stages to focus on for a pass? (I know it's still a bit away and rallypasses are not listed yet but trying to plan the best I can) Love all the discussion and assistance on this forum!!
access to the stages is free in Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by subarurally
I would like to remind people who say "2021 Acropolis won't be real Acropolis" that Acropolis was partly an asphalt event until the mid 80's. Also, in addition to rough roads, the big challenge was that the road sections were timed so tightly that basically everyone got road penalties. This added the element of car reliability: the less you had to service, the higher you would finish. However, this was already fixed for the 90's and it's still been a tough event.
people who say acropolis is not acropolis should try and become men, being a crying woman is ok, but being a man is better.
Details about SSS in the centre of the city
https://www-acropolisrally-gr.transl...o=ajax,nv,elem
The rally cars will stay overnight on Syntagma square (parc ferme).
Video of Rally Acropolis 2021 shakedown stage https://youtu.be/JSTr-d1qFdo
Wow, so many likes! I think they are not for the comment, but for the tone of the comment. Members must be nostalgic for those sick village team dog type comments, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Anyone to know about tests in Greece???
Serderidis livery for Acropolis
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5sz6GCX...name=4096x4096
WOW! Impressive! I knew that Jourdan would celebrate Acropolis return to WRC!
and a front one
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5tvJJuW...jpg&name=large
they just missed their Dear Leader... thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido
Ofc we did!Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
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Anyone knows where the shakedown will be?
Yes !! At village Divri !! Also the Power stage Tarzan has been extended !! It’s 23 km nowQuote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTr-d1qFdoQuote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
not very interesting but at least has some nice hairpins for all the subhumans and the pro photographers to gather and leave the rest of the spectators with a functional brain alone.
He's still got it... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Thank you! See you at Rally Corinthos in 2 weeks? Any news there for WRC entries as a test for Acropolis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonis9
Thank you! I will try to be there to watch the shakedown.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
I don’t know my friend !! I will try !! I want free days for acropolis and I don’t know yet !!Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
bomber i think we'll see some suprises in 2 weeks at Korinthos rally..
WRC entries?
Rally 2 entries!
OK! Soon we will know!!
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“Greece is the next one on the calendar but I will not go there if we don’t solve these issues."
@MadsOstberg finished a strong second in WRC2 on #RallyEstonia, but a variety of issues with his Citroën C3 Rally2 has him concerned”
https://t.co/PxAhoJd6uT
Do you have an argument to what I said about roads fixed for the first time by road-rollers? If you have, say it. If you do not have, stop being a speechless, obsessed, uncivilized coward trying to avoid arguments by insults. Insulting is a way for avoiding conversation by anyone stupid enough to think that this has any effect. It does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
To the point: Any rally that has roads fixed by road rollers is not a tough rally. Pavliani and the last 20km of Pyrgos used in the last national rally had all their tough parts fixed by road rollers and were softer than any rally I have done or watched in the past 33 years. The same applies to Tarzan, a road roller fixed the whole stage and transformed the toughest stage in Europe to a Finnish road. If anyone thinks that roads fixed by road rollers is the character of Acropolis, probably he has hasn't watched Acropolis or was stoned while watching it.
I prefer to see flat out action that see drivers swerving to avoid stones and having stupid retirements...
times change old man, the option of the home couch is always there, crying is pathetic....
we did not have a proper rally in 9 years. Its like being stranded in the desert and someone offers you water and you whine like a little girl because its tap water instead of bottled Perrier.
get with the times or stay away... old people are a waste of space... first you (old people in general) cried because the rallies were not 146 days long... then you cried because the cars did not sound like washing machines with nails in them... then you cried because we did not have 3 finishers in 287 entires... then you cried because stages did not cover the whole country... if you do not like it do not support it,
nobody is forcing you to see something you do not like... there is always tennis for you if the tears do not let you enjoy the sport.
This is how a part of an Acropolis SS (Bauxites) looks like now
https://youtu.be/QDtYg_U_jAM
It's looking good :) Is the beginning of the stage still on this "red" gravel?
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To me that looks like proper Acropolis, similar surface as in Turkey recently
this ''red gravel'' is bauxite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
At Greek ''Βωξιτες''
The video on YouTube above shows the part of stage from around km 4 until it meets the tarmac part and heads into the Karoutes part of the stage. Before that from start just outside Itea until km 4 will be one of the most spectacular parts of the rally and if you walk-climb a bit, you can have very good panoramic view for long distance... The part on the video is a very fast and narrow road with a lot of stones but I have a feeling after the machinery pass from there it will become flat out...
Thank you for presenting your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Let me complete mine. As you know, this Acropolis is done by a totally different organizing body than all previous ones, appointed by the government. This new organizer on specific stages (Pavliani, Pirgos, Tarzan) has decided to follow your "flat road" philosophy by putting a road-roller and making them completely flat. This is done for the first time. At least I have never seen it since 1986 that I am watching, nor in the three Acropolis I have participated. On other stages until now they have not done it (Ag. Theodori, Loutraki, Eleftherohori). As I just came back from recce on the first two of them, I can tell that these are fixed the old way without being "rolled", so they will be as they were.
Personally, I disagree with this new organizer and I prefer Acropolis to remain as it was, so I do not want road-rollers. Not only because this is its traditional character, but because if we change it to "just another flat rally", I am afraid we will lose it permanently. You are not the only Greek that has this "flat road" philosophy, my co-driver has the same as you and we have had this argument lots of times. Time will tell which of these two opinions is more effective for the survival of the rally.
P.S.1 The truly extraordinary spectacle is on fast bad sections (5th and 6th gear). The fast sections on "hell roads" like the downhill of Agia Sotira, last part of Vari, EIeftherohori after the 2nd lake and several others offer spectacle "out of this world" that you cannot see anywhere else. You can see the same level of "extra-terrestrial" things as you can see in Finland or Poland, and I dare say even higher.
P.S.2 I do not know about old people, I am not yet. But I do know that young ones are absent from Greek rallying, except of two or three with rich dads that used to be rally drivers. Young Greeks prefer dragster, drifting and "facebooking". So, if old people are considered a "waste of space", as you say, and they leave to "open up space", I am afraid that Greek rallying will collapse to non-existence in one single day. Just because young Greeks prefer much safer activities these days than they used to. So, I suggest you leave old ones in their space.
Bauxites is a very bad road since the floods of 2018. Actually, its last part is a river now, not a road. It used to be the most flat stage in Acropolis, now it is the worst. If they leave it as it is, which is something I do not believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by atsiotras79
We have different points of view... the old organisers organised the rally around their personal pockets though.Quote:
Originally Posted by scn
we will see how these will do.
As for the young greek drivers... what do you expect ? its a balkan country with no rally philosophy and subhuman culture... even greek rally drivers are not rally drivers... they are some overweight slobs that are a disgrace to the human anatomy and not athletes as they should be... same goes for the speactators... just take a look how many are gathered at hairpins just to see handbrake turns like some bottom feeding supine invertebrate jellies.
but thats another story.
I read it, smirked and then thought what would remain, if all the NOTism would be omitted.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Maybe something like this?
"As for the young Greek drivers... It's a balkan country with no rally philosophy, Greek rally drivers are not fit athletes. And spectators, they just gather at hairpins to look at handbrake turns."
but then i would be just like everybody else in here, a flavourless robot... not your cherished god emperor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
I am not like everybody else.
Do not worry i will not polute any other threads and once acropolis is over i am out once more.
The Bauxites part that is shown in the video is only 3-4 kms of probably the best stage this year, and after the machinery this part will be again flat out...
The part I am a bit considered (I checked it 15 days ago) is the part you mention in Eleftherohori from the second lake until 2-3 kms before the end in Mendenitsa... there is no gravel left there in some parts... only rocks... I had a tough time passing even with 4x4, I had to be very careful...
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Your posts aren't bothering me. Just thought what would the posts look like without the super flavour NOT.